Merlin Mafia

Does anyone have any other leads at all though? Because honestly at this point I'm a little stumped. I have suspicions but they're mostly baseless and I don't want to random lynch because that historically turns out to be a disaster.
 
Without Arthur, I think we are pretty far up sh*t creek without a paddle... There's no other role that provides reliable info on other players, so we really only have our reads on each other to go off of. We really screwed ourselves with that terrible bandwagon. I know it was intended to get votes off the Fool, but wouldn't it have been just as effective to NL rather than choose a random target? (but I digress, we can't fix it by complaining)
 
Ugh I'm so far behind on this game. I've been so busy over the past couple of days and I don't have enough time to do much but say hi, I still exist. I'll catch up either tomorrow or this weekend, I promise.
 
Nakuzami said:
I like mysterious characters

Been too long since I've watched Merlin
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I'm scumreading Naku at the moment, he's contributed absolutely nothing in this game. Just ****post after ****post.
Johnny said:
I'd go for gimmepie/Ullion, not really substantial, but I think I'm seeing some coordination between them after that poor of attempt of framing me.
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Don't see scum motivation in Ullion claiming a gun on Day 1, if he was mafia he could have easily kept quiet about it. Also if they wanted to frame anyone for that it would have been Artic Sun, so that was a dumb move killing him last night. Say what you want about GP, but he's not that dumb. I have doubts about Ullion though after PMD Mafia tho.
 
I'm also getting suspicious of GP like this

. So my question now is, if that was our reasoning, why Killua specifically? With all those other options around, why on Earth did Killua become the primary target?

Was this a mafia push because they suspected him of being a PR? Was it just a coincidence? Had Killua voiced any concerns about any of us (I don't think he had).
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Too many questions hmmm......more like confusing stuff or you know what I mean :D
 
Desinishon said:
I'm also getting suspicious of GP like this



Too many questions hmmm......more like confusing stuff or you know what I mean :D
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Didn't I just get ripped on for saying Nani was asking too many questions a couple phases ago? How is this any different?
 
I also like shitposting

But at the same time, the mafia would not be doing this poorly if I was in it. Just saying
 
Johnny said:
I'd go for gimmepie/Ullion, not really substantial, but I think I'm seeing some coordination between them after that poor of attempt of framing me.
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I had to bold that one part because, lolwhat? I might not be the best mafia player in the world but if I was going to attempt to frame someone I would
a) Not choose a vocal player because that makes it harder
b) Not do a bad job of it

Also, apart from the virtual impossibility of me and Ullion ever working with each other cohesively I'd like to point out that an exchange of like one or two posts does not indicate any teamwork at all. Plenty of people have talked directly to other members and you've not made any attempt at suggesting teamwork there.

jdthebud said:
I'm scumreading Naku at the moment, he's contributed absolutely nothing in this game. Just ****post after ****post.
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Naku likes being on the mafia side and tends to be more involved as maf than as innocent. I'm actually more inclined to believe he's an innocent with a role he finds boring.

Desinishon said:
I'm also getting suspicious of GP like this



Too many questions hmmm......more like confusing stuff or you know what I mean :D
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So... because I'm playing the game properly and not just coasting through and hoping for the best like the rest of the town I'm scummy? I am asking questions because that is what the town is meant to do. We do not have a cop role anymore because we all piled onto a dumbass bandwagon. We need to pressure each other and ask questions because we don't have any PRs that can glean useful information now. Using our brains is literally the only way to win at this point and for some reason people are reluctant to do that? Not only that, I'm being targeted because of that?

People, Beck is not wrong when he says you've all grown way to dependent on power roles. Stop being lazy and play the game. We're all smart people maybe not the maf/Ullion, so let's actually use our brains before we lose to an extremely shitty mafia.

Johnny said:
Indeed. The questions are not a problem though; My concern is that the goals of the questions are obvious (push for a lynch)
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Hell yes I'm probing for information and pushing for a lynch - preferably an informed one this time. This town is playing extremely lazy and it's going to cost us the game. If we keep no lynching or jumping on baseless/stupid bandwagons we are handing the game to the mafia on a silver platter. Interesting how you seem to desperately want to do that.

First, he says "with those other options" which I don't see. Then he asks if he was suspected of being a PR role when we all know he didn't say squat during the entire game.
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All those other options meaning all the other people who have contributed stuff all to the game. People like Ewery, Abby (although she's pretty much confirmed inno), Naku, You, Lycan, Wicked and Nightkrow. I'd add Mars and Bard to the list too but despite how little effort they have contributed to this game both literally cannot be mafia.

His saying squat is quite possibly what would have lead to the impression he was a PR. It's not uncommon for PRs to use mafia-like tactics to lay low and be inconspicuous so they can avoid drawing attention to themselves and make sure they actually get to do something with their roles. It doesn't just draw red flags to townies looking for mafia, it can signal things to any mafia even half paying attention too.

I don't know if this is an attempt from mafia members to get rid of one of the few people actually doing something this game or if this is just town playing extremely badly. Either way I think you and Desi are currently not posing any benefit at all to this game and if anything are actually hindering our success. The same is of course true of over half the players remaining right now, but so far you guys are the only ones actively antagonizing pro-town behaviour.

So contrary to what these two are on about, I highly encourage the rest of you to get your acts together and start hunting because relying on arthur isn't an option right now and whilst we keep joking about how shit this mafia is, we're honestly not doing any better since we're going to hand them the game like this.

[Lynch] Johnny

If he flips mafia I'm 100% gunning for Desi next, if he flips town I'm just going to be disappointed in him but I'll re-evaluate.
 
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Well I can't really speak on how people play outside of this game, and I usually don't take that into account anyway. The point is, everyone wants to fos Pie for asking questions, but when Nani did it and I said something, I was told that was how to play the game. So I'm calling fos of the hypocrisy of the situation.
 
Johnny said:
That was a long load of crap you just made me read. Why don't you sum up your reasons so everybody can easily see how baseless they are? You have yet to refute the fact that you and Ullion seemed coordinated. You claim that it's virtually impossible but you did do it.
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Has the definition of baseless changed recently? As for Ullion, I'll try this again - in bold so everybody can see it.

We have not really agreed or interacted aside from that one small bit at all. One or two posts does not indicate coordination when interaction/agreement is only occurring on a single day phase. You're seeing things that aren't there.

I shouldn't have to defend myself, much less since it seems you're retconning the past day phases. Either that or you just didn't read at all.
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What are you even talking about?

Desi reasoning was poor, I won't argue that, but yours isn't much better. Why didn't you bitch so much when Killua was being bandwagoned instead of waiting for him to be lynched? Which adds a lot of suspicion on you, considering how little did he contributed to the game; if anything, Killua's BW was started by an innocent and was a reasonable bandwagon. He was literally the one with less contribution during the entire game.
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I already explained why I joined the Killua bandwagon, because it had to be done to outweigh the people who were rather stupidly trying to lynch the person who was literally confirmed as the fool. Not once did I imply I thought it was a good idea - if you remember you were my original target. I changed because it needed to be done to prevent a loss. That's all.

He was one of many people who contributed very little to the game. I never said that there was a guarantee that the first ones on that ship were mafia, I have asked questions and looked for information and given potential scenarios that could explain why Killua of all people died. I simply wanted to know if anyone else saw anything there because I saw very little, hence all the questions (that and I want people to start actually doing something).

EDIT: You're using meta to clear Naku out of all suspicion, but refuse to take meta into account to consider Killua's BW. Interesting...
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You're stretching the definition of meta a bit here, but moving on from that. I am not clearing anyone of suspicion entirely except for Bard and Mars who already flipped. I gave my current read on Naku. I didn't have a read on Killua at all because I'm not as familiar with how he tends to play and because like most of the people in this game he's contributed stuff all.

I didn't miss your GS claim though, so with that in mind I'm prepared to write all this off as you simply making some bad plays (although I'll wait to be sure there's no CCs before changing my vote). With that in mind I'd propose we target either

a) Wicked, who's trying to use our animosity to start a bandwagon on you now but who otherwise contributed precisely fuck all to the game. That just reeks of a mafia who smelled opportunity and honestly if he flips town it's not like he's been helpful.

or

b) Desi, who is quite literally attacking me and trying to make me look suss for playing the game effectively as town. Not much more to say here because I already dedicated a whole paragraph to him looking suss as all hell in my wall of text before.

Thoughts on that Johnny?
 
No no I was just simply stating instead of focusing on mafia gp was trying to reasoning death of killua. I know asking question is one way of playing mafia games but even when you know the Lynch was just baseless and nothing is going to come out of it why try focusing on it too much. As for contribution I just joined the game 2 days before. 1 day took me to read some stuff and 2 was just plain bandwagon and here is 3 xD.
 
Desinishon said:
No no I was just simply stating instead of focusing on mafia gp was trying to reasoning death of killua.
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This is literally some of the best information we have for determining potential mafia. You're now trying to deflect my suspicions by suggesting using some of our best available info is somehow not looking for mafia. 5/7

I know asking question is one way of playing mafia games but even when you know the Lynch was just baseless and nothing is going to come out of it why try focusing on it too much.
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If you want to play well as a townie, asking questions should be the only method of play you consider. I'm asking questions about the lynch because it's a valuable source of information especially because it was baseless. Stop trying to steer us away from it.

As for contribution I just joined the game 2 days before. 1 day took me to read some stuff and 2 was just plain bandwagon and here is 3 xD.
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Not an excuse. Especially in a small game on Day Four.

Where are you Johnny gdi?! I want your thoughts.
 
I'm down for trusting Johnny, nor do I really see him being cc'd atm. Since I have both a gun and a vest I can safely shoot (and hope I don't lose my vest lol). Wicked definitely did seem to egg the two of you on in your feud, which I agree is quite scummy.

As for GP and Desi, I'll keep an eye on them and determine what I think later (aka after we deal with wicked).

Now Johnny - do you want me to shoot wicked now - or wait? I'm opposed to waiting for another phase, personally, since the mafia could swap out my vest.

Which actually reminds me about the flavour text. Someone had mentioned that the mafia may have a secret role that let's them bypass vests based off the flavour text sayign something along the lines of:
checked to make sure their target didn't have any functional vests
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I think this is just when the mafia decided to use the ability to give a fake vest to the target they wanted to kill. If their target had a vest - it would be swapped for a fake vest and the kill would work. Or at least, that's how I think it would work?

Additional note: did this game take a momentary "crap on Ullion" phase or something? T^T

[Lynch] Wicked3DS
 
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