Shall we bump the Trump?

Credible president? I'm afraid I'll have to ask for specifics. Do you mean to say if he's qualified for the job? or do you mean to say that he'll do a good job? Since I'm in the mood to answer both questions either way I'll do so:

Qualification: Only qualifications for becoming US president are 1. natural-born, 2. being 35+ years old, 3. lived 14+ years in the US. As far as I'm aware Trump has fulfilled all 3 of those criteria so yes, he's qualified.

Will he do a good job? His campaign messages are good (of course, that's my opinion and I can understand that not everyone here agrees with this) but whether or not he'll achieve his goals is a different story and I don't know if he will. Currently my biggest worry is whether or not his business tactics will work when it comes to international politics i.e. overzealous when it comes to giving out revenge, being obsessed with "getting one over" his rivals. And no, I don't buy the "TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER!!!1!1!111" narrative.

There will probably be constant protests as they haven't stopped since the election, but will protests accomplish anything? No. Especially when you're using violence. In fact using violence like what's been done during inauguration day will, if anything, work AGAINST their wishes and will probably help Trump become re-elected barring extraordinary turn of events.

"Bump the Trump" - again I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean. Do you mean if someone will try to assassinate him? will damning scandals come out that will put him through the impeachment process? will he fail to cement his status as President come 2020? Or you mean something entirely different.
 
I'm getting very disturbed by the open and allowed discussion of an assassination on this website and the Discord. That line of thinking needs to be shut down and possibly even banned, fast.
 
Kanzler said:
Uh oh, here comes the thought police.

Political figure, controversy, assassination, it's all very topical and relevant.
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There are people on this website going unchecked saying they hope he will be assassinated. That is horrendous. Horrendous. Talk about whether he will be assassinated, fine. But openly hoping for it is anarchy.
 
Kanzler said:
Uh oh, here comes the thought police.

Political figure, controversy, assassination, it's all very topical and relevant.
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Talking about assassination is one thing but actually advocating for it is a different thing altogether, something that shouldn't be done even as a "joke".
 
Uh... you are aware you can get arrested for making a threat on the President's life... right? o_O
 
To be fair, I haven't seen anyone making any threats, just outrageous hopes.
 
Knowing the man, he'll probably do something soon to get himself impeached faster than Clinton. We can only pray. XD

Here's to the women currently marching outside our window.
 
EvilChameleon said:
To be fair, I haven't seen anyone making any threats, just outrageous hopes.
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Maybe not on PokeCommunity (I wasn't exactly talking to PC on my last post here either), but on sites like Twitter I've seen a lot of people who said that they want Trump assassinated. I remember one guardian journalist coming under fire for saying it's "time for presidential assassination" (don't know the exact words).

Though I would also urge people to tone down on expressing their outrageous hopes lest someone misinterprets your "joke".
 
EvilChameleon said:
I'm getting very disturbed by the open and allowed discussion of an assassination on this website and the Discord. That line of thinking needs to be shut down and possibly even banned, fast.
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Banning that thought is a bit ludicrous and, well, dangerous. So long as one is not making direct threats on the President's life, there shouldn't be censorship on one's unadulterated feelings towards him. If the only harm is his reputation, then move on. The same thought would apply if Clinton were in charge - as long as there wasn't a direct threat being made on her life, it would be morally unjust to ban hopes on wanting her death. Such a step would make it very easy for a slippery slope to take place and I wouldn't be here for it in the slightest.

In regards to Discord itself, it's not a pleasant topic and by all means, do what you want to change it. But I most certainly wouldn't try legislate it by virtue of not being comfortable for the majority.
 
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Frieza said:
Banning that thought is a bit ludicrous and, well, dangerous. So long as one is not making direct threats on the President's life, there shouldn't be censorship on one's unadulterated feelings towards him. If the only harm is his reputation, then move on. The same thought would apply if Clinton were in charge - as long as there wasn't a direct threat being made on her life, it would be morally unjust to ban hopes on wanting her death. Such a step would make it very easy for a slippery slope to take place and I wouldn't be here for it in the slightest.

In regards to Discord itself, it's not a pleasant topic and by all means, do what you mean to change it. But I most certainly wouldn't try legislate it by virtue of not being comfortable for the majority.
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In his defense I don't think he was actually advocating for thought crime, rather that some thoughts are better left in your head and unsaid. (well, he actually used those words but I don't think he meant it that way - if he did then I'll retract this post)
 
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Taro Tanaka said:
Knowing the man, he'll probably do something soon to get himself impeached faster than Clinton. We can only pray. XD

Here's to the women currently marching outside our window.
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let's not get him impeached bc the VP is even worse, like 10x worse. he is v against lgbt and wants to do conversion therapy and he is disgusting.

as for the topic itself, i personally, i mean. trump means the 3 qualifications so i guess he's qualified or whatever. i wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to get rid of him. i'm not hoping, i'm merely stating.
 
This isn't a thread to discuss if discussing something is okay. So let's just drop that line of thought now. I will say though, that some clarification on the OP would be nice. Still, I'll try to answer the questions as best as I can, much like Aeroblast.

From what I understand, for some reason, in the US there actually are no qualifications for running for president. Anyone over the age of 35 who's been living in the US long enough can do it. So I guess if by credible you mean qualified, then sure he's as qualified as you need to be from a technical standpoint. Of course, I think that perhaps some actual political experience might make him more qualified than the bare minimum in a system that has already set the bar pretty low.

There's more to credibility than qualifications though. First and foremost, a foreign nation has been proven to have been trying (and probably succeeding) to influence the election in which Trump won. Then there's the part where even ignoring that, Trump only won because of your ridiculous electoral colleges, he lost the popular vote. So as far as his being elected goes, there's some pretty big hits on his credibility. On top of that, he's also openly admitted to both tax fraud and sexual assault, has numerous claims of sexual assault on him, has publicly admitted to violating privacy and has a statutory rape charge filed against him. I don't think a poor businessman with no political experience with both confirmed and alleged illegal activities who won an election without having an actual majority vote in an election that was probably rigged in his favour by a foreign nation sounds particularly credible. Yet, somehow, he is legally your president now. So I guess it depends on how you define credible doesn't it?

Do I think that he's going to be a good president since he's miraculously gotten in despite all those weird mars on his credibility? Nope. He's not even really trying to hide that he's basically building a cabinet of his friends that will only serve their own agendas, he's going to cripple your economy with flawed trickle-down economics, he's going to royally screw over anyone who isn't already at least marginally wealthy (just look at the ACA repeal he's going to push through), he's happy to completely destroy the environment and he openly antagonises particular races and religions. That's a very quick summary of why he's going to be an awful president but I think that everything has been said in so much detail by now that quick summary is all you need.

Now, if by "bumping" you mean should he be impeached? Shit yes.
If by that you mean assassinated, no. As much as I would love to see all kinds of horrible fates occur to people like Trump, a quick and merciful assassination is not one of them. Even more so because it would just provide the right - especially the alt-right - with ammunition against the left that we do not want them to have. Besides, murder isn't really something I can condone even when it does come to Trump.

Unfortunately though, even if you do somehow get Trump out of office, you're then just going to get Pence in his stead and I don't think that's much better really. Hell, it could potentially be worse.
 
Impeachment means there has to be a senate investigation. Impeachment does not mean being booted out of office. This means Trump has to actually do something bad.

People who argue in favor of assassination are stupid. If you think Trump is your worst nightmare, Pence is 9th hell.
 
Aeroblast said:
Credible president? I'm afraid I'll have to ask for specifics. Do you mean to say if he's qualified for the job? or do you mean to say that he'll do a good job? Since I'm in the mood to answer both questions either way I'll do so:

Qualification: Only qualifications for becoming US president are 1. natural-born, 2. being 35+ years old, 3. lived 14+ years in the US. As far as I'm aware Trump has fulfilled all 3 of those criteria so yes, he's qualified.

Will he do a good job? His campaign messages are good (of course, that's my opinion and I can understand that not everyone here agrees with this) but whether or not he'll achieve his goals is a different story and I don't know if he will. Currently my biggest worry is whether or not his business tactics will work when it comes to international politics i.e. overzealous when it comes to giving out revenge, being obsessed with "getting one over" his rivals. And no, I don't buy the "TRUMP IS LITERALLY HITLER!!!1!1!111" narrative.

There will probably be constant protests as they haven't stopped since the election, but will protests accomplish anything? No. Especially when you're using violence. In fact using violence like what's been done during inauguration day will, if anything, work AGAINST their wishes and will probably help Trump become re-elected barring extraordinary turn of events.

"Bump the Trump" - again I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean. Do you mean if someone will try to assassinate him? will damning scandals come out that will put him through the impeachment process? will he fail to cement his status as President come 2020? Or you mean something entirely different.
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On Assassination - Secret service sure has a lot of work cut out for them, because USA hasn't been this divisive in a long time and there are still a lot of people that harbor deep-seated hatred for Trump. With such vitriolic atmosphere, I predict there will be eventually some anti-Trumper who'll be crazy enough to actually act out on the "let's assassinate Trump" brigade and attempt to assassinate him.

On Impeachment - To my knowledge he hasn't done anything wrong as President so far (he surely couldn't have screwed things up in day 1... amirite) and there hasn't been a big enough scandal in his past or what's revealed of him so far to consider impeachment as a serious course of action. Considering his personality it might be more likely for a present/past scandal to arise but currently I don't see it happening in the next 4 years. But then I would've never guessed 1 year ago that the currently impeached South Korean president was a puppet controlled by a cultist and South Korea was basically ran by the said cultist.

On possible reelection - At this moment too early to call. Eh, some people will say "he's not gonna be re-elected lol" but 3 months ago it was "he's not gonna be elected lol" and 9 months ago it was "he's not gonna be GOP candidate" and 2 years ago... you get the point.
 
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On possible reelection - At this moment too early to call. Eh, some people will say "he's not gonna be re-elected lol" but 3 months ago it was "he's not gonna be elected lol" and 9 months ago it was "he's not gonna be GOP candidate" and 2 years ago... you get the point.
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It's still too early to make any judgement, obviously. But his margin of victory in the key states was under 100,000 votes, and a huge amount of Trump voters were regular Republicans who couldn't believe that Trump would govern as anything else other than a regular Republican, people who hated Clinton more than him or people who were conned by "cheap insurance for everyone", "millions of manufacturing jobs", "the second coming of the coal" and so on. Obama in 2008 won by 7 points, so when he lost 3 points of support, he still won reelection easily. Trump won by under 100k votes. If he loses any support during these years, or the Democrats nominate someone who is not Hillary Clinton so Trump looks like the far worse option by a mile, then he's cooked.

He needs to win a new voter for every one he loses. And his rhetoric and attitude so far isn't suggesting that he wants to attract anybody who didn't support him already.
 
Ivysaur said:
It's still too early to make any judgement, obviously. But his margin of victory in the key states was under 100,000 votes, and a huge amount of Trump voters were regular Republicans who couldn't believe that Trump would govern as anything else other than a regular Republican, people who hated Clinton more than him or people who were conned by "cheap insurance for everyone", "millions of manufacturing jobs", "the second coming of the coal" and so on. Obama in 2008 won by 7 points, so when he lost 3 points of support, he still won reelection easily. Trump won by under 100k votes. If he loses any support during these years, or the Democrats nominate someone who is not Hillary Clinton so Trump looks like the far worse option by a mile, then he's cooked.

He needs to win a new voter for every one he loses. And his rhetoric and attitude so far isn't suggesting that he wants to attract anybody who didn't support him already.
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At least Trump put a front to care about the "forgotten man", he at least knew that the political landscape of the world was changing and adopted to it accordingly while Hillary would rather call potential voters "deplorable" and designate a cartoon frog as a hate symbol. When you retrospectively look at the how the two parties campaigned, it's not that difficult to see why Trump won. If he doesn't achieve much during the next 4 years he can just say give more time to fix it, unless as you mention a Democratic leader who's charismatic enough to at least give him a serious run for his money in 2020 which, to be honest, I don't see at the moment. I mean, this could change, but topping Trump's ego is no mean feat.

And who's to say he won't actually achieve at least some of his campaign promises, however low the chances are? As I said, let's give him a proper chance before making judgments about whether or not he "conned" America.
 
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