Supporter Mafia Season Three: The Rebellion

MorallyIncorrect said:
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*Eyes glint.*

I'm afraid... you're just making your situation worse.

I still believe in your chances of being innocent... but you're still my most likely candidate as a guilty rogue.

"My statement wouldn't even make sense were I to be a rogue, as that would refer to killing someone that was aligned with the rogues, after killing an innocent."

Unless... both victims are innocent!

That would mean that your statement and plans could lead to a double kill for the rogues. Leaving us all in the dark as to whom did what when both victims discussed are dead on the floor. That would mean you were killing an innocent... after killing an innocent already.

The way you phrase it assumes that we have fact... that anybody we talk about is aligned in a certain way factually.

"killing someone that was aligned with the rogues" You state that as a rogue you would never talk about killing another rogue, but for all we know the two you are talking about are both innocent. In reality, the only person whom really knows whom is aligned with the rogues is the rogues themselves. That makes the idea of "accusing someone in this faction when I'm in that faction" irrelevant as no factions are confirmed as true or false for any of us.

You could easily lead us astray with such statements as that defense of yours, were you guilty as we are forced to believe, so I'm not taking any of that into account.

"This evidence may lack, but going after Juno may provide some insight in the role of Klippy. If Juno turns out to be a rogue, Klippy's nature as trustworthy will be set, but if she turns out to be an innocent, we automatically proof him to be a rogue."

This... this is sick and wrong.

You would sacrifice a potential innocent just to ascertain a motive? What kind of credibility does that give you in this courtroom. This isn't a salem witch trial!!! This is a womans life! What do you want us to do? Throw her into the lake with iron attached.

"If she floats and is guilty of magic then yes we will kill her. But what if she sinks? We just tell the family sorry and execute the accuser as well."

Is this the mentality we are following here? Kill those blindly accused until we're nothing but lost sheep being rounded by wolves rather than shepherds?

"I believe Klippy's statement to be true, because no well thinking mafia player would gamble their survival this early in the game. I, as a man of the law, believe claims of evidence more thrustworthy than basing it on a simple miscommunication in words. Choosing to follow Klippy's instincts would give us information useable even after this day has past."

But that is just the thing.

It is impossible for Klippy to have concrete proof without cheating! TAKE THAT!

All maffia talk must be held here and strictly here. Not once has Klippy bothered to tell us of his proof, or wherein this thread he found it... because he could not have found it here.

This leads to four outcomes.

1: A rogue hinted at the identity of Juno outside of this thread, a direct breach of the rules even if the suggester was Juno herself.

2: Klippy saw something in this thread and is withholding the details.

3: Klippy is a rogue and is accusing an innocent.

4: Klippy is lying.

I don't think Klippy saw anything here, at all. I don't believe that for a second. What could he have seen? Nothing is incriminating, I checked.

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I'm assuming these guys are nice enough to NOT cheat us

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That leaves 3 and 4 as the only viable options... and neither of them lead to Klippy telling the truth. Unless more information is provided then we have no reason to believe that Juno is a rogue, none whatsoever. Klippy's word is already shown to be irrelevant here. His "claim of evidence" is nothing but a lie either way.

No offense to you personally Klippy. But your words are rendered worthless by your lies. Not that I trusted them to begin with, it was clearly nothing but faff from the beginning.

That still leaves you MI, as our most viable suspect. Your attempts at defense were based on self protecting and flawed defenses... and I've just given reasons to believe that Juno is completely innocent.

Anything else you'd like to say for yourself?
 
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Juno said:
He started the lynch Archer and Juno bandwagons in season 2, both of us were innocent. He also pretended to be detective in that game too, even though he wasn't.

Faes & Daes he was wrong about Gunner (and to be fair, she was very confusing in that game) and gimmepie (didn't die, but Klippy still tried to get people to vote for him and was wrong about his alliance). And to his credit he did get Sphealo rightfully burned, but that's still a lot of innocents he's killed/tried to kill and was wrong about.

Do what you want, but I'd take his words with a grain of salt. Just because he sounds convincing and writes a lot in his posts doesn't necessarily make him right.
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or were we just really good at manipulating y'all in season two? hurhurhur

Faes & Daes. Haha I like that. But yeah, he wasn't entirely correct about Gunner, but he also wasn't entirely incorrect either. Now, was he MorallyIncorrect? Not sure about that tbh
 
I must sleep now... but I hope I've managed to convince some of you to change your minds about the innocently accused Kokoro before it is too late.

If nothing else I am certain that she is innocent. (That and that Klippy is lying that is.)

And yes, you filthy rogues, I am aware that I might be considered for killing in the coming night phase. I can do nothing to stop this if this is the case. If you want me dead then come and kill me, I dare you to. It will only show that you are weak in both mind and will... easily threatened and almost certain to be trounced by the good people here.

Remember my words folks.

Let us see the results of this debacle together.

Good night~

(You guys were right, this is great fun.)
 
Deceptio said:
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The only reason why Klippy would accuse someone that was also innocent, if he were to be, were if he was to make a false claim based on nothing, or the secret mafia role has the ability to trick people, but I don't see how that would work. You also seem to forget that what you and I do is the same, accusing possible innocent people to further the goal of the game.

The problem your second argument makes is that you don't want to play this game humanely. In a real court room, of course, sacrifing someone is bad, but in this case it gives us either information we desperately need, or a killed rogue. In case of them both being innocent, which I highly doubt, because that would be incredibely stupid on Klippy's part, we lose, indeed, but as mentioned literally half a sentence before, the only reason for Klippy to lie in this situation is to be incredibly stupid. Making a claim this early in the game, where players are plentiful, are statements are hard to proof, is incredibly dangerous, which actually helps his statement. I honestly play this game a little dirty most of the time. Especially early game, with this many players, it might be worth it to potentially sacrifice an innocent. The chance is 1/6 we lynch a rogue if we just choose randomly, but because Klippy took a clear standpoint very early on, it's clear that something is amiss there. I'll make statistics

We lynch Juno and she's innocent
23/25 green left, 6/6 non-greens
The vigilante knows however to this night kill Klippy, who is sure to be either an idiot or a non-green at this point.
23/25 green left, 5/6 non-greens
This is at the start of day 2, which is a great score in the early game

We lynch Juno and she's a rogue as Klippy claims
24/25 green left, 5/6 non-greens
Very good odds very early on, and we now know to protect Klippy.

We can take him up on his random, non-sensical claim because it's early game, and there are still a lot of players. This puts us in a good situation either way. The only possible way for this to go wrong is if Klippy turns out to be a troll, which is very bad sportsmanship, and I don't think should be even allowed in this game.

You're other arguments don't apply to mafia really, haha, although I'm going to call you if I ever get accused of murder in the real world :p
 
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Deceptio said:
It is impossible for Klippy to have concrete proof without cheating! TAKE THAT!

All maffia talk must be held here and strictly here. Not once has Klippy bothered to tell us of his proof, or wherein this thread he found it... because he could not have found it here.

That leaves 3 and 4 as the only viable options... and neither of them lead to Klippy telling the truth. Unless more information is provided then we have no reason to believe that Juno is a rogue, none whatsoever. Klippy's word is already shown to be irrelevant here. His "claim of evidence" is nothing but a lie either way.

No offense to you personally Klippy. But your words are rendered worthless by your lies. Not that I trusted them to begin with, it was clearly nothing but faff from the beginning.
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Okay, since you're being a bit offensive and calling me a liar - there's this magical thing in Mafia games where you submit a night action and that night action results in something being told to you. People were able to submit night actions on Night Zero.

So 1) It doesn't have to exist in this thread. 2) You look suspicious as hell protecting her so vehemently. 3) You have offended me and since you're a T1...

[EXECUTE] Deceptio

Clearly he's trying to protect Juno, his fellow Rogue, or he's just being rude and I think going with Kokoro is a mistake when it's RNG. Deceptio is far more suspicious than MorallyIncorrect at this point and since half of you can't even vote for Juno, it's pointless pushing to execute her.
 
So, as Klippy stated he isn't the detective, is it safe to assume he has the secret role, or is a rogue?

I disagree with Deceptio's statements about Klippy, because if he were lying this early in the game, all it would do is expose himself. He's the only one of us stating information that we didn't extract from this thread, meaning that he either has a way of getting it, or is lying. Lying would be idiotic to do this early in the game. As a rogue, him accusing a green would be stupid this early in the game. As a secret role, he could have valuable info about the rogues, and trust the doctor to protect him. The main question for this night seems to be, how much do we trust Klippy to not be an idiot in a game of mafia?
 
I often guess things early in Mafia games or have hunches, but I'm 100% sure I'm not wrong about Juno. The problem is there isn't enough votes for her. Kokoro being RNG'd might just be a Rogue ploy to drop an extra innocent during the day. :/

If I had to guess, Deceptio and Juno are both Rogues OR Deceptio just conveniently forgot there were night actions.
 
Klippy said:
I often guess things early in Mafia games or have hunches, but I'm 100% sure I'm not wrong about Juno. The problem is there isn't enough votes for her. Kokoro being RNG'd might just be a Rogue ploy to drop an extra innocent during the day. :/

If I had to guess, Deceptio and Juno are both Rogues OR Deceptio just conveniently forgot there were night actions.
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Do you have anything to go on other than a hunch, or is this just a really strong hunch. Because if you say you have proof, I will go along with you, because I trust to vigilante to take you out if you were to make a mistake. It's the same argument as I had with Juno really. Do you have proof, I don't care if you want to share it because at this point you've put yourself in such a position were you can't talk yourself out. All we need to hear you say is saying you have proof. Because if you say you do we either kill a green and a non-green, or just a non-green, both which I'm willing to accept.
 
MorallyIncorrect said:
Do you have anything to go on other than a hunch, or is this just a really strong hunch. Because if you say you have proof, I will go along with you, because I trust to vigilante to take you out if you were to make a mistake. It's the same argument as I had with Juno really. Do you have proof, I don't care if you want to share it because at this point you've put yourself in such a position were you can't talk yourself out. All we need to hear you say is saying you have proof. Because if you say you do we either kill a green and a non-green, or just a non-green, both which I'm willing to accept.
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I have proof she's a Rogue. This is not a hunch. But we need the numbers to save Kokoro from the dumb RNG, so I'm willing to pass on Juno for Deceptio because at least he's being suspicious and he's a T1, so we can get the numbers on him if need be.
 
Klippy said:
I have proof she's a Rogue. This is not a hunch. But we need the numbers to save Kokoro from the dumb RNG, so I'm willing to pass on Juno for Deceptio because at least he's being suspicious and he's a T1, so we can get the numbers on him if need be.
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I will vote for Deceptio, but I apply the following conditions.

Were Deceptio to be innocent, I will assume you are a rogue.

If you are a rogue, Juno is innocent.

You should be killed as fast as possible were Deceptio to be innocent.

This way, we will have information about 2 living players after the first night.

[execute] Deceptio
 
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