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The DARKEST DUNGEON II

[PokeCommunity.com] The DARKEST DUNGEON II
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Nakuzami has been slain.​
 
I knew we could talk but I didn't realise we could attack at dawn too :c damn.

Drewbie's attack seems pretty high, judging by yesterdays numbers. Hard to say about the others though.

There was a distinct lack of damage last night. Wouldn't be surprised if some missed their actions, but -12 in the night is pitiful lmao.

Whoever the Arbalest is knows who The Siren is. Considering they have a healing ability and Arb seems to be doing only a small amount of damage, it might be best to out The Siren and eliminate another terror.

That is, unless Arb has some special abilities of their own. I know last game it was just a simply 1-Damage night attack.
 
So, let's see.

A lot of people didn't vote, so they took damage equivalent to half of their hp. Which means we now know their max hp and their current.

GreenLegend56 -9
Total HP : 18, Remaining HP : 9

Nuclear Chicken -30
Total HP : 60, Remaining HP : 30
lul i hope Bac's not town cuz -30 sets us behind by a lot.

Desinishon -13
Total HP : 26, Remaining HP : 13

CatmanDaTrainer -10
Total HP : 20, Remaining HP : 10

not sure if rowlet was here day 1 and im too lazy to find out atm
also not including Kiyo, cuz the -37 is mixed inactivity and day 1 attacks, but he is most probably close to dying.

Now, by using these numbers we can probably estimate how useful these players are. Haven't played Darkest Dungeon, but from my experience, I'd say that higher HP usually means less attack, and maybe a worse NA, while lower HP usually means higher attack and maybe a better NA, so their inactivity should give us a general idea of what their roles might do.


On another note, now we know Raider probably has a stealing NA.

The Sea Maggot lay still, waiting for its first victim, when a bush nearby began to rattle. It readied itself and pounced upon his discoverer. Nearby The Thrall witnessed it all and smiled. This would prove to be very useful.
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So, I believe that "first" is not random. First because said player missed their first NA. While the chance is smaller, Sea Maggot might have missed his day 1 vote too, so that limits them down to a select few. Can't be sure of course, just speculation.

Also, directly taken from the Darkest Dungeon Wiki : Found in almost every zone where bodies pile high, Maggots first appear as small inconsequential blockages to any adventuring group of heroes, as evident by their minor health pool. However their only ability, Grave Nibble, is a great nuisance as it inflicts stress damage, has a chance to Stun and can inflict a Disease. They are usually found either in a group of four or paired with Spitters or a Ghoul. Dispatching these enemies, while not difficult, should be among your first priorities, lest they begin building up stress and nullifying your heroes turns.

Not 100% sure if that maggot is the same with our sea maggot, but his NA might be increasing someone's stress. Idk how the stun could work in the mafia setup (maybe silence and no attack for today? if that's the case we should take a look at the end of the day and see if anyone hasn't voted but didn't take damage, tho checking is not necessary cuz stunned player could confirm the day after, but still), and I don't think diseases are a thing.

Looking at the second bolded part, I get the feeling that Sea Maggot does increase someone's stress indeed, cuz I don't see a way of that stun being useful day 2 while we still got nothing. Also, noone died by Sea Maggot's attack, but it did happen, so it's not flavor text.

Moving on,
Deep into the woods, the Siren sung its song. Four individuals approached the cave where it waited
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Jester, Brigand Vvolf, Guardian and Gargoyle all took 3 damage. Arbalest does 2 damage with her NA, judging from n1, and Siren healed for 7.
So, what's Siren's NA exactly? Randomly damage 4 players for 3? And heal 9? Also, this lure part seems like flavor text because a NA doing more than 12 damage per night and healing back 9 seems like a lot to me. Which also means Arbalest does only that. 2 damage.
Also, Siren's NA is not situational, like needing someone to visit her at night to activate, cuz Arbalest took no damage last night (and there goes my theory of a retaliate passive ability for Siren. and thank Lelouch it's not a thing cuz she'd be OP).

Anyway. Why was Naku revealed? We got a loudmouth? kewl stuffz
 
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Alex Kaz said:
So, let's see.

A lot of people didn't vote, so they took damage equivalent to half of their hp. Which means we now know their max hp and their current.

GreenLegend56 -9
Total HP : 18, Remaining HP : 9

Nuclear Chicken -30
Total HP : 60, Remaining HP : 30
lul i hope Bac's not town cuz -30 sets us behind by a lot.

Desinishon -13
Total HP : 26, Remaining HP : 13

CatmanDaTrainer -10
Total HP : 20, Remaining HP : 10

not sure if rowlet was here day 1 and im too lazy to find out atm
also not including Kiyo, cuz the -37 is mixed inactivity and day 1 attacks, but he is most probably close to dying.

Now, by using these numbers we can probably estimate how useful these players are. Haven't played Darkest Dungeon, but from my experience, I'd say that higher HP usually means less attack, and maybe a worse NA, while lower HP usually means higher attack and maybe a better NA, so their inactivity should give us a general idea of what their roles might do.


On another note, now we know Raider probably has a stealing NA.



So, I believe that "first" is not random. First because said player missed their first NA. While the chance is smaller, Sea Maggot might have missed his day 1 vote too, so that limits them down to a select few. Can't be sure of course, just speculation.

Also, directly taken from the Darkest Dungeon Wiki : Found in almost every zone where bodies pile high, Maggots first appear as small inconsequential blockages to any adventuring group of heroes, as evident by their minor health pool. However their only ability, Grave Nibble, is a great nuisance as it inflicts stress damage, has a chance to Stun and can inflict a Disease. They are usually found either in a group of four or paired with Spitters or a Ghoul. Dispatching these enemies, while not difficult, should be among your first priorities, lest they begin building up stress and nullifying your heroes turns.

Not 100% sure if that maggot is the same with our sea maggot, but his NA might be increasing someone's stress. Idk how the stun could work in the mafia setup (maybe silence and no attack for today? if that's the case we should take a look at the end of the day and see if anyone hasn't voted but didn't take damage, tho checking is not necessary cuz stunned player could confirm the day after, but still), and I don't think diseases are a thing.

Looking at the second bolded part, I get the feeling that Sea Maggot does increase someone's stress indeed, cuz I don't see a way of that stun being useful day 2 while we still got nothing. Also, noone died by Sea Maggot's attack, but it did happen, so it's not flavor text.

Moving on,
Jester, Brigand Vvolf, Guardian and Gargoyle all took 3 damage. Arbalest does 2 damage with her NA, judging from n1, and Siren healed for 7.
So, what's Siren's NA exactly? Randomly damage 4 players for 3? And heal 9? Also, this lure part seems like flavor text because a NA doing more than 12 damage per night and healing back 9 seems like a lot to me. Which also means Arbalest does only that. 2 damage.
Also, Siren's NA is not situational, like needing someone to visit her at night to activate, cuz Arbalest took no damage last night (and there goes my theory of a retaliate passive ability for Siren. and thank Lelouch it's not a thing cuz she'd be OP).

Anyway. Why was Naku revealed? We got a loudmouth? kewl stuffz
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ok WOW this is a lot of info. Good job Alex! I think you covered pretty much everything, I don't see much else from the post.
 
GL could be a villager, with 18HP. Whether anything else has that value though we can't be sure ><.

All we can say is the others definitely aren't villagers, woop.
 
Hey guys, so here's the cool news

I'm back, filling in as a replacement

And Klippy said that I could let you guys know what I know of what went down last night: I was not the fucking Gargoyle. Whatever that was, it was some sort of false revealing shenanigans, and none of you even thought to question it. So, thanks for that.

I'm a new role now. My old one gets to stay dead. I hope you're all proud.

And yes, that means that the Gargoyle is still alive and well somewhere.

and p.s. - Alex, the Maggot and the Sea Maggot are two entirely different creatures.
 
Klippy didn't mention who I was replacing. He just asked if I wanted to, and then sent me my new role. He also said I could reveal whatever I want about my previous role and what I may or may not have learned with it.

Currently I'm debating the value of what I "learned." Based on what happened to me before I even logged on this morning, I don't feel like loosing all you rabid dogs on someone due to mere conjecture alone.

I will let you know that my previous role was The Madman. That's why I died so easily: 25 HP, 1 ATK. He's a weak guy. In the actual game, he gets an annoyingly high Dodge stat that makes him more of a threat, but sadly I did not have that benefit. My main point was to inflict stress damage.

Also, drewbie is correct about Zehn having been the Antiquarian. Of that I'm almost certain.

As for everything Alex said, I will add that, whatever the Siren did last night, it was likely a one time use skill that could have lasting effects, or potentially a multi-use skill and the Siren's only one.

Whoever the Siren is, it's probably someone that took sufficient damage to feel the healing timely. She should have healed for 12, but the Arbalest did two more damage and one of her targets caused her three points of retaliatory damage, nullifying the heal she got from them.

Also, I don't think Alex is correct about lower HP meaning better ATK or abilities. At all. Some roles will simply be more powerful than others.

Now, I'm going to head off for a little while. Try not to jump the gun and kill any other "surefire" targets while I'm gone.
 
Nakuzami said:
As for everything Alex said, I will add that, whatever the Siren did last night, it was likely a one time use skill that could have lasting effects, or potentially a multi-use skill and the Siren's only one.

Whoever the Siren is, it's probably someone that took sufficient damage to feel the healing timely. She should have healed for 12, but the Arbalest did two more damage and one of her targets caused her three points of retaliatory damage, nullifying the heal she got from them.
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Based off of this, should we look for the people we attacked yesterday who lived? Those are the only people I could see wanting to use this ability so soon.

EDIT: Well the main people that were attacked were Kiyo, Abby, and Gunner. Considering I haven't seen much from Gunner and nothing from Kiyo, Abby was the only active person that took a reasonable amount of damage yesterday. This seems like pretty solid evidence, anyone have any other leads?
 
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Hmm, I didn't say I'm sure about the HP - attack thing, just thinking of a logical scenario. My intention of making a huge post like that was to get the conversation going. Reading a wall of text like that, you're sure to find something you don't agree with, or have something to add.

Anyway, healing for 12 and taking 3 extra damage makes sense actually, I'll give you that. Healing for 9 only sounded kinda strange. I mean, why 75%? If it was an ordinary NA it would be op, if it were a one time it would be kinda weak.
If the Siren felt she's taken enough damage, then that means she was one of yesterday's targets, or one of those who missed a vote.
Kiyo, Wiz, Lycan, Bac, Gunner, Desi, Catman, Abby, and maybe Rowlet. Now, that's a start. (I'd love the scenario of Wiz flipping Siren and me having him focused d1 for buying an item xD)

But how did you figure out it's a one time thing?
You use the word likely, so I'm guessing there's no mafia chat in this game. Do you even know each other? lol

And also, damn Maggot =/= Sea Maggot? Pfft.
I looked around the wiki a bit but couldn't find a Sea Maggot. What does it do?
 
Alex Kaz said:
If the Siren felt she's taken enough damage, then that means she was one of yesterday's targets, or one of those who missed a vote.
Kiyo, Wiz, Lycan, Bac, Gunner, Desi, Catman, Abby, and maybe Rowlet. Now, that's a start.
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You are totally right, I didn't think about the missing votes thing.
 
Alex Kaz said:
If the Siren felt she's taken enough damage, then that means she was one of yesterday's targets, or one of those who missed a vote.
Kiyo, Wiz, Lycan, Bac, Gunner, Desi, Catman, Abby, and maybe Rowlet. Now, that's a start. (I'd love the scenario of Wiz flipping Siren and me having him focused d1 for buying an item xD)

And also, damn Maggot =/= Sea Maggot? Pfft.
I looked around the wiki a bit but couldn't find a Sea Maggot. What does it do?
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Firstly I'd like to correct something, I only took 7 damage yesterday, confirmed with Klippy that 37 was a typo. So healing for 12 damage would be useless to use for me unless it's an every day thing.

Also I'd use this site for finding info, it's pretty complete:
https://darkestdungeon.gamepedia.com/Sea_Maggot

The sea maggot in the game has 5 health and deals very weak attacks that inflict the heroes with diseases, which are like semi-permanent stat debuffs that only can be cured by paying in the hamlet, which are not implemented in this game as far as I'm aware. Something else that makes them unique is their protection stat is extremely extremely high, which makes attacks that would normally do 7-10 damage do more like 1-3. I'm not sure if this would be a thing in this game or not though. Considering that it's in a team of four monsters having one really weak member would make sense.

Also I'm assuming this works like last game where only monsters with the same color names are in chats, unless it's like my role last game that didn't have a chat until after it completed a certain goal.
 
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