News: Alola Form Rattata revealed for Sun and Moon

[janejane6178]

why would you give one of the most boring pokémon ever an alolan form and waste time on that instead of making some for awesome NOT KANTO pokémon?? that was awful, that trailer was a total letdown imo. I don't care about Snorlax, and not only do I hate Rattata, I wouldn't want a Pokémon with a double weakness to a type as common as Fighting on my team anyways.

Ugh, what a nightmare. I was all hyped up too.

THIS.

 

[Rivvon]

Because old fans don't care about new Pokemon and only want to use Kanto Pokemon? Have you not seen that one video I've posted several times already explaining why they feel this way?

Genwunners stopped playing at gen 2, despite gen 2 including all gen 1 Pokémon and Kanto itself. Despite all that they stopped playing because, I dunno, Quagsire is so uncreative and they totally ran out of colors or whatever their brilliant logic is. So Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring them back to Pokémon, especially not when there are new Pokémon such as Bewear and Screaming Sandcastle™. The fact that gen 1 Pokémon have been in all past games save for BW and they still couldn't overlook the new Pokémon of the gen proves this.

Alola forms are way better suited as form changes to appeal to fans who stuck with the series and would like to see "new life" breathed into old favorites. But those fans are, as we've seen, gonna want Pokémon from outside of gen 1 to be given some love, too.

Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring genwunners back to Pokémon. They just won't. So they're better off extending the feature to other Pokémon, too.

 

[janejane6178]

Genwunners stopped playing at gen 2, despite gen 2 including all gen 1 Pokémon and Kanto itself. Despite all that they stopped playing because, I dunno, Quagsire is so uncreative and they totally ran out of colors or whatever their brilliant logic is. So Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring them back to Pokémon, especially not when there are new Pokémon such as Bewear and Screaming Sandcastle™. The fact that gen 1 Pokémon have been in all past games save for BW and they still couldn't overlook the new Pokémon of the gen proves this.

Alola forms are way better suited as form changes to appeal to fans who stuck with the series and would like to see "new life" breathed into old favorites. But those fans are, as we've seen, gonna want Pokémon from outside of gen 1 to be given some love, too.

Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring genwunners back to Pokémon. They just won't. So they're better off extending the feature to other Pokémon, too.

I personally liked ME better. Not only that OTHER gen's Pokemon got it, but it was more unique and felt less like fun service..

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

How do we know that they only want to use Kanto Pokemon? My friends who used to play the games can't recognize Mew and Magmar and won't be able to point out that Togepi is a Johto Pokemon considering that Misty had it in the anime? Who says they will only want to use Kanto mons considerig one of my friends loved the idea of Megas and Kalos so why wouldn't other people?

I feel like this opinion is just assuming a lot. So basically Kanto is the only relevant region because instead of encouraging people to check out new Pokemon that they might love they should just use the same ones over and over again?

Your friends are not the majority of Pokemon fans who left the series after Gen II and came back by Gen VI; that is only a confirmation bias. The success of Pokemon GO also shows that the Kanto Pokemon are still more recognizable from 90's kids, who are now fully grown adults, and they would rather have Mega Evolutions/different forms of Kanto Pokemon than new Pokemon they never of before.

why would you give one of the most boring pokémon ever an alolan form and waste time on that instead of making some for awesome NOT KANTO pokémon?? that was awful, that trailer was a total letdown imo. I don't care about Snorlax, and not only do I hate Rattata, I wouldn't want a Pokémon with a double weakness to a type as common as Fighting on my team anyways.

Ugh, what a nightmare. I was all hyped up too.

So you don't want a mediocre Pokemon like Rattata to be competitively useful (it's the ultimate Ghost counter). Besides, there's plenty of Pokemon in OU who have double weaknesses to common types (Tyranitar, Heatran, Landrous, etc.), you just need good stats and abilities.

Genwunners stopped playing at gen 2, despite gen 2 including all gen 1 Pokémon and Kanto itself. Despite all that they stopped playing because, I dunno, Quagsire is so uncreative and they totally ran out of colors or whatever their brilliant logic is. So Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring them back to Pokémon, especially not when there are new Pokémon such as Bewear and Screaming Sandcastle™. The fact that gen 1 Pokémon have been in all past games save for BW and they still couldn't overlook the new Pokémon of the gen proves this.

Alola forms are way better suited as form changes to appeal to fans who stuck with the series and would like to see "new life" breathed into old favorites. But those fans are, as we've seen, gonna want Pokémon from outside of gen 1 to be given some love, too.

Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring genwunners back to Pokémon. They just won't. So they're better off extending the feature to other Pokémon, too.

Genwunners also happen to be part of the mainstream audience, a.k.a. casuals, which is every video game company's target to sell as many copies as possible. These genwunners tend to be fad bandwagoners who eventually leave when a fad dies out in favor of a newer fad. Only the most hardcore Pokemon fans stuck around and didn't care about which gen had the best set of Pokemon, which is what PC is mostly made up of. The mainstream audience would only go back to playing Pokemon again if it became a fad again, which has already happened due to Pokemon GO. Yet again, I have to post this video to showcase where these people are coming from:

 

[zeno101200]

Genwunners stopped playing at gen 2, despite gen 2 including all gen 1 Pokémon and Kanto itself. Despite all that they stopped playing because, I dunno, Quagsire is so uncreative and they totally ran out of colors or whatever their brilliant logic is. So Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring them back to Pokémon, especially not when there are new Pokémon such as Bewear and Screaming Sandcastle™. The fact that gen 1 Pokémon have been in all past games save for BW and they still couldn't overlook the new Pokémon of the gen proves this.

Alola forms are way better suited as form changes to appeal to fans who stuck with the series and would like to see "new life" breathed into old favorites. But those fans are, as we've seen, gonna want Pokémon from outside of gen 1 to be given some love, too.

Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring genwunners back to Pokémon. They just won't. So they're better off extending the feature to other Pokémon, too.

I agree with this, but also with the surge of another almost Pokemania-like situation. Some players who stopped early on might give it another try because of Pokemon GO and other factors. Thinking about it, genwunners will probably end up hating the Alolan forms just like everything else. "Why would they change a perfectly fine design!?" Or something like that. But hey, a lot of players throughout the years seem to liked a lot of the Alolan forms. I love them, to be honest.

 

[Mawa]

A little bit divided...

For Rattata
Pros: the look (except the mustache). I like it, but I would have prefered the typing being only Dark, not dual type with normal. At least Rattata can be super effective against some types now.

Cons: Ok, Kanto is great. But this isn't Kanto2. I want more gen 2 too, I feel like this generation is more and more forgotten now. There are many weak Pokemon that would need some changes.
Talking about weak Pokemon... I love the idea of Alola forms. I think it can help some Pokemon, for example the type change can be usefull or the new moves can fit well the stats. But I feel like they made some weak Pokemon even weakier... Rattata being Dark/normal, Sandshrew's line being ice/steel type...

I am not a fan of the Z moved. Great, we are gonna try them in the game, some might use it in online battles, but I think it's gonna be soon out, like the Mega (which is a concept I liked way better).

 

[Altairis]

Your friends are not the majority of Pokemon fans who left the series after Gen II and came back by Gen VI; that is only a confirmation bias. The success of Pokemon GO also shows that the Kanto Pokemon are still more recognizable from 90's kids, who are now fully grown adults, and they would rather have Mega Evolutions/different forms of Kanto Pokemon than new Pokemon they never of before.



So you don't want a mediocre Pokemon like Rattata to be competitively useful (it's the ultimate Ghost counter). Besides, there's plenty of Pokemon in OU who have double weaknesses to common types (Tyranitar, Heatran, Landrous, etc.), you just need good stats and abilities.

I was using them as an example there's nowhere where I said they represented the majority. In any care I feel like having them as an example is way stronger than the ones you gave (none). There's also nothing in Go's success that proves it was Kanto Pokemon that cause people to come back and not just because it was a Pokemon game for an everyday electronic everybody has. You're assuming things because of a theory you have. I don't see proof anywhere that highlights Kanto Pokemon specifically, and shows that people recognize all of them and would be able to tell what is a new Pokemon (such as Pidove) and what is a random forgotten Kanto Pokemon (Magmar or whatever).

edit: still nothing that proves that anything you're saying is true and not assumption =/

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I was using them as an example there's nowhere where I said they represented the majority. In any care I feel like having them as an example is way stronger than the ones you gave (none). There's also nothing in Go's success that proves it was Kanto Pokemon that cause people to come back and not just because it was a Pokemon game for an everyday electronic everybody has. You're assuming things because of a theory you have. I don't see proof anywhere that highlights Kanto Pokemon specifically, and shows that people recognize all of them and would be able to tell what is a new Pokemon (such as Pidove) and what is a random forgotten Kanto Pokemon (Magmar or whatever).

I have already given you an example, which was the video I mentioned and previously posted several times before, and your post shows that you never actually watched the whole video at all. And yes, I have seen people loving Pokemon GO because it currently has only Kanto Pokemon, and they would consider either quitting the game or not update their games if they add post-Kanto Pokemon. They can be found in places like facebook or Reddit.

 

[Rivvon]

I agree with this, but also with the surge of another almost Pokemania-like situation. Some players who stopped early on might give it another try because of Pokemon GO and other factors.

The key difference is that Go is only gen 1 Pokémon. The genwunners who play don't have to "soil their sight" by having to look at the likes of Girafarig or Magmortar or Krookodile.

Go's burst in popularity is not only because of its gen 1-exclusivity, but because it's a free app on smartphones, which almost everyone has. But because gen 7, despite all the gen 1-pandering, will include Pokémon from across all generations, I can't imagine the genwunners will be so quick to drop $200 for the system (because they likely don't have it already) so they can buy a single $40 game. They couldn't overlook Cherrim and Finneon in gen 4, despite all the gen 1 Pokémon it included, so I doubt they'll be able to overlook Bounsweet and Wishiwashi this time around, either, just for the sake of a Meowth and Rattata recolor.

Which brings me to this:

Thinking about it, genwunners will probably end up hating the Alolan forms just like everything else. "Why would they change a perfectly fine design!?" Or something like that. But hey, a lot of players throughout the years seem to liked a lot of the Alolan forms. I love them, to be honest.

I actually totally agree. Genwunners, with their "infallable" logic, are probably the ones who will dislike these changes the most. But that makes it even more disappointing that the Alola forms are Kanto-only. The genwunners aren't the ones who are appreciating these form changes, so why limit them only to gen 1 Pokémon?

And, honestly, I think most people like the concept of Alola forms--heck, even I like the concept! But I think the execution is not being handled well at all; there are so many non-gen 1 Pokémon that could benefit from this kind of form change, not even from a competitive standpoint but from a design and lore standpoint. To limit this feature to just gen 1 Pokémon really limits it and the creativity that amounts from it, not to mention it's disappointing to the fans who want to see other Pokémon get some sort of enhancement.


I mean, I took that "What Pokémon Type are You?" quiz over on the 20th anniversary web page and the questions it asked and answer options it gave were more "all generation inclusive" than SM are looking right now. That is NOT good, especially for the "20th anniversary titles."

 

[Nah]

that snorlax z-move

what. the. fuck

shit's scary really

 

[Karous]

Taking the silver lining approach - I'm starting to see disappointment even from the most diehard of fanboys at the oversaturation of genwunner pandering. Hopefully Gamefreak takes this feedback into consideration and either tones it down for future titles, or understands that anyone who is a fan of the games likes Pokemon from all generations. They aren't perfect but in recent generations they have been doing a decent job at responding to feedback from the fans and surely they'll get the message that they need to mix things up.

 

[Afterglow Ampharos]

Things I like about Alolan Rattata: It looks cool standing biped

Things I hate about Alolan Rattata: Mustache. Just not working for me, from a design standpoint.

 

[Rivvon]

Genwunners also happen to be part of the mainstream audience, a.k.a. casuals, which is every video game company's target to sell as many copies as possible. These genwunners tend to be fad bandwagoners who eventually leave when a fad dies out in favor of a newer fad. Only the most hardcore Pokemon fans stuck around and didn't care about which gen had the best set of Pokemon, which is what PC is mostly made up of. The mainstream audience would only go back to playing Pokemon again if it became a fad again, which has already happened due to Pokemon GO. Yet again, I have to post this video to showcase where these people are coming from:

You yourself prove my point that Kanto-only Alola forms will NOT bring genwunners back to Pokémon:

I have already given you an example, which was the video I mentioned and previously posted several times before, and your post shows that you never actually watched the whole video at all. And yes, I have seen people loving Pokemon GO because it currently has only Kanto Pokemon, and they would consider either quitting the game or not update their games if they add post-Kanto Pokemon. They can be found in places like facebook or Reddit.

Despite all the gen 1 pandering, gen 7 will have Pokémon that are not from gen 1. Genwunners do not want to play a game that has non-gen 1 Pokémon in it (proven by yourself in bold above). Therefore, Kanto-only Alola forms will not encourage genwunners to buy Pokémon Sun or Moon. Because of this, there is no good reason to keep Alola forms exclusively for gen 1 Pokémon, and it is understandable that some fans do not like that they are looking to be gen 1-exclusive.

 

[tranceking26]

To me, the moustache almost looks like a propeller {XD} cute though.

 

[zeno101200]

I actually totally agree. Genwunners, with their "infallable" logic, are probably the ones who will dislike these changes the most. But that makes it even more disappointing that the Alola forms are Kanto-only. The genwunners aren't the ones who are appreciating these form changes, so why limit them only to gen 1 Pokémon?

And, honestly, I think most people like the concept of Alola forms--heck, even I like the concept! But I think the execution is not being handled well at all; there are so many non-gen 1 Pokémon that could benefit from this kind of form change, not even from a competitive standpoint but from a design and lore standpoint. To limit this feature to just gen 1 Pokémon really limits it and the creativity that amounts from it, not to mention it's disappointing to the fans who want to see other Pokémon get some sort of enhancement.

That's fair. Genwunners won't likely have anything bring them back. But if they're looking at it that way, I don't think the majority of the community wants them back anyway. But I would love to see non-Gen 1 Alolan forms! I'd be fine if they weren't any, but it feels just like how Megas were handled. The vast majority were Gen 1 and Gen 3. Only a bit more drastic with Alolan forms. I still want to see Gen 5 and 6 Megas, or even Alolan forms if they did more than Gen 1. There's so much that could be added to the games, if they let it go that way.

 

[UltimateUmbreon]

Just from the perspective of its design, I love Alolan Rattata. Lots more personality, kind of reminds me of a very tribal design. In terms of gen 1 alolan forms exclusively....it's whatever to me. I like that there are pokemon that I was meh about that are now enhanced in my eyes with these new forms (rattata, sandslash), but there are certainly other pokemon throughout the generations that need it. More importantly, I want the gen VII pokemon to look good. As a whole, I've been disappointed so far.

On a side note, for those complaining that miniscule, useless things are being revealed in these trailers, I'm actually kind of glad. I want them to leave SOME STUFF to be revealed in game. Can't know everything beforehand!

 

[Ewery1]

I have already given you an example, which was the video I mentioned and previously posted several times before, and your post shows that you never actually watched the whole video at all. And yes, I have seen people loving Pokemon GO because it currently has only Kanto Pokemon, and they would consider either quitting the game or not update their games if they add post-Kanto Pokemon. They can be found in places like facebook or Reddit.

So is it justified for them to pander to these people that will accept nothing but exactly what they want? I understand it is a business and they will try to make the most money but are we not allowed to be upset about it?? Also you posted a 54 minute long video and were upset he didn't watch the whole thing, can you really expect anyone to watch a 54 minute long video about a simple topic that they're not suuuuuuuper invested in?

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

So is it justified for them to pander to these people that will accept nothing but exactly what they want? I understand it is a business and they will try to make the most money but are we not allowed to be upset about it?? Also you posted a 54 minute long video and were upset he didn't watch the whole thing, can you really expect anyone to watch a 54 minute long video about a simple topic that they're not suuuuuuuper invested in?

I could just pinpoint which minute where he mentions not wanting to use the new Pokemon (it's around 50 minutes in).

 

[Ewery1]

I could just pinpoint which minute where he mentions not wanting to use the new Pokemon (it's around 50 minutes in).

Oh yeah sure actually I'd like to hear what his reasoning is. That would be awesome, thanks.

 

[MegaKuriboh]

Okay, the Gen 1 pandering is getting way WAY out of hand, it's really starting to piss me off. Don't get me wrong, I love all the designs so far, hell even the ones from the Art leak are fantastic, but please gamefreak, remember you have 721 designs to work off of, not 151. I'm just glad they're giving them to the more underrated designs though, instead of Charizard/Gengar/Gyarados/Eevee. But really give the other regions some love, especially Unova and Kalos which had almost no Megas and Kalos Pokemon were forgotten by their own region. I seriously hope this Gen 1 pandering is for advertisement purposes only and that we'll be able to find Alola forms of all kinds in the game when it's in our hands.

The Rattata looks great, i like how it stands on two feet in battle, and it's a nice break from the other 2 million rattata I have in Go.
I love the idea of some Pokemon getting special Z-Moves (still looks like Gen 1 pandering ugh). I love Raichu's move, Gengar's is some FMA stuff and Snorlax's move is straight up brutal murder, that was horrifying to watch, and I love it. Munchlax is certainly a weird Pokemon to give out but I'm not complaining, especially since it was forgotten in X/Y.