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Vaporeon @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Ability: Water Absorb
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Wish
- Protect
- Roar

Takes everything Heatran throws at him and 2HKOs back with Scald

-Gastrodon w/Leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 248 HP, 252 Defense, 8 Sp.Defense
Moves: Scald, Earthquake, Toxic, Recover

Is immune to Vaporeon's only attack, and can Toxic stall it to death since it lacks status recovery.

(Mega) Venusaur@Venusaurite
Ability: Thick Fat
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP, 240 Def, 16 SpD
Moves: Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Synthesis, Sleep Powder
Unaffected by Toxic and takes negligible damage from EQ and Scald. Once in, destroys Gastrodon with Giga Drain or puts it to sleep.

Ugh i swear, megavenu with sleep powder is a royal pain to deal with.

Coming straight from UU, Standard Utility Crobat descends!

Crobat @ Black Sludge
Ability: Infiltrator
EVs: 52 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 200 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Taunt
- Defog
- Roost

Taunt is there to shut down non-damaging moves as well as stopping MegaVenu's source of recovery. Crobat laughs at Mega Venusaur's puny attempts in trying to damage it, and 2HKO's with STAB Brave Bird.

Calcs:
252 Atk Crobat Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Mega Venusaur: 192-228 (52.7 - 62.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 52 HP / 4 SpD Crobat: 84-99 (25.9 - 30.5%) -- 2.8% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery

Magnezone@Leftovers
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
Nature: Modest
Moves: Substitute, Charge Beam, Flash Cannon, Volt Switch

And straight from New Mauville or someplace similar, Magnezone appears! He takes nothing from Brave Bird and can spam Charge Beam until Crobat falls. He could also Sub and chuckle as Crobat tries vainly to break it.

Also, personally dislike Mega Venusaur. It's so bleh and stallish.

shame this thing is only viable on rain teams



Seismitoad @ Life Orb
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature

- Hydro Pump
- Earth Power
- Focus Blast
- Sludge Wave

+1 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 136-161 (38.6 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 182-214 (51.7 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 227-267 (64.4 - 75.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 273-321 (77.5 - 91.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+5 252+ SpA Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Seismitoad: 318-375 (90.3 - 106.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Magnezone can sometimes fail to OHKO Seismitoad even at +5. Meanwhile, Seismitoad outspeeds it and sends it packing with a simple Earth Power:

252+ SpA Life Orb Seismitoad Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Magnezone: 686-811 (244.1 - 288.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

(also, why would you not use HP Fire on that set...)

Jellicent (Assault Vest)
Ability (I never got wtf a trait is) : Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def, 6 HP
Calm Nature

- Energy Ball
- Hydro Pump
- Shadow Ball
- Dazzling Gleam


Jellicent is immune to 2 of Seismitoad's attacks and its strongest stab, resists a third, and isn't very impressively damaged by it's secondary stab. It then proceeds to ruin its day with a nasty 4 x Effective Energy ball.

Heatran @ Choice Specs
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
-Fire Blast
-Flash Cannon
-Earth Power
-Ancient Power

252+ Atk Huge Power Mega Mawile Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 157-185 (48.6 - 57.2%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 614-726 (201.9 - 238.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mega Mawile: 336-396 (110.5 - 130.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Gyarados @ Gyaradosite
Ability: Intimidate >>> Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Earthquake
- Ice Fang

The moment the screen says nothing about Heatran floating via Air Balloon, Gyarados can switch in and scoff at anything Heatran throws at it. Assuming no burn from lava plume, it doesn't even need to setup or mega evolve; press the Earthquake button and watch Heatran get shaken to death.

252+ Atk Gyarados Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 444-524 (137.4 - 162.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Mold Breaker Mega Gyarados Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 520-616 (160.9 - 190.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Even if Lava Plume triggers a burn, all Mega Gyarados needs to do is to Dragon Dance once and OHKO with Earthquake, or just be trigger-happy with Earthquake, resulting in a 2HKO.

EDIT: THIS ALWAYS FLIPPING ALWAYS HAPPENS WHY DO I NEVER LEARN TO AVOID POSTING IN THESE THREADS

also there was never any mention of Lava Plume on Heatran :x

OH WELL.


Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
-Scald
-Grass Knot
-Calm Mind
-Slack Off

MGyara's unboosted EQ does 23.3 - 27.6% to ProBro, leaving Slowbro to either try to burn it w/ Scald (let's be honest here, it will happen) or just go straight for the almost 2hko w/ Grass Knot:

4 SpA Slowbro Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Gyarados: (41.5 - 49.3%) yeaaah.

your calcs are off js




Stunfisk @ Leftovers
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Bold Nature
- Discharge
- Earth Power
- Scald
- Toxic

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Flash Cannon/Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Stunfisk: 108-128 (25.5 - 30.3%) -- 0.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

0 SpA Stunfisk Earth Power vs. 172 HP / 0 SpD Magnezone: 360-424 (111.1 - 130.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

you should be ashamed

Opposite Day said:

also there was never any mention of Lava Plume on Heatran :x

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Oops sorry about that, i just battled a lot of OU prior to this so I just read Specs heatran and wrote mgyara lol
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So, Stunfisk :O

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 192 SpD / 72 Spe
Careful Nature
- Protect
- Roost
- Toxic
- Earthquake

One of the prime annoyances in OU, Sdef Gliscor makes Stunfisk have Scald as its only way to retaliate, only to be Toxicstalled to death.

0 SpA Stunfisk Scald vs. 244 HP / 192+ SpD Gliscor: 90-106 (25.5 - 30.1%) -- possible 5HKO after Poison Heal
0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Stunfisk: 186-218 (44 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

These calcs show that Scald is sponged by Gliscor despite the weakness to water, and cannot be burned because of Poison Heal activated. Gliscor on the other hand can add some chip damage via Earthquake while Roost/Protect-stalling a badly poisoned fish to death.

Articuno@Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
252 SAtk / 252 Speed / 6 your mom
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Freeze Dry
- Hurricane
- Roost

Go me. 252 SpA Articuno Freeze Dry vs. 252 HP / 192+ SpD Gliscor: 340-408 (96 - 115.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO

The UU behemoth takes the stage!

Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy >>> Filter
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Heavy Slam
- Earthquake

Mega Aggron is a goddamn tank that takes laughable damage from Hurricane or Freeze Dry, and squishes the parakeet with Heavy Slam. And even if Articuno drags it on with sub+hurricane confusion, RestTalk is there to crush its hopes of winning by luck.

Calcs:
0 Atk Mega Aggron Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 6 YOUR MOM / 0 Def Articuno: 344-408 (106.8 - 126.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 SpA Articuno Hurricane vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Aggron: 60-72 (17.4 - 20.9%) -- possible 5HKO
252 SpA Articuno Freeze Dry vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Mega Aggron: 38-45 (11 - 13.1%) -- possible 8HKO

Flygon@sitrusberry
Ability: levitate
Evs: 252 sp.attk sp. def 252 attk 4
Nature: mild
Earthquake
Dragon dance
Dragon pulse
Sand attack

thebest said:

Flygon@sitrusberry
Ability: levitate
Evs: 252 sp.attk sp. def 252 attk 4
Nature: mild
Earthquake
Dragon dance
Dragon pulse
Sand attack

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Flygon can't learn Dragon Dance. Sand-Attack is frowned down upon in competitive play because it relies on luck to be successful. Why would you even use Dragon Pulse on Flygon when a resisted one coming from 80 Special Attack barely leaves a scratch on Mega Aggron?

Anyway:

Togekiss:

-Nasty Plot
-Dazzling Gleam
-Air Slash
-Roost
Nature: Timid
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace

Togekiss is immune to all of Flygon's offensive moves, uses Flygon as setup bait for Nasty Plot, then hits it hard with Dazzling Gleam.

Yeesh still doing the same thing.... -_- There's a polite way to suggest changes to movesets too mate, and then there's the option of not even saying anything and just playing the game. By the way, I think you can go 252, 252, and 6. Only 2 more, but they're there.

Also oh my god, whoever used Stunfisk up above

My hero


Anywho togekiss counter.

Magnezone.
-Flash Cannon
-Thunderbolt
-Metal Sound
-Hidden Power (Grass)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SAtk/252 HP / 6 Def
Item: Wise Glasses
Ability: Analytic

Magnezone scoffs heartily at anything Togekiss can do, even if it carried thunder wave, magnezone is immune. 60 percent flinch chance on Air Slash is laughable at how many times you'd have to do it to even leave a scratch on magnezone, and Magnezone only needs one hit on a Togekiss lacking bulk investments. Even with Nasty Plots, Togekiss is countered.

Golurk @ Leftovers
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dynamic Punch
- Earthquake
- Shadow Punch
- Ice Punch

252+ SpA Wise Glasses Analytic Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Golurk: 246-291 (66.1 - 78.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ SpA Wise Glasses Analytic Magnezone Hidden Power Grass vs. 212 HP / 0 SpD Golurk: 248-294 (66.6 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Golurk Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Magnezone: 612-724 (177.9 - 210.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Tanks any one hit Magnezone can dish out, outspeeds to KO with EQ.

Greninja@darkgem
Ability: protean
EVs: sp. attk 252 speed 252 attk 5
Nature: Hasty
Surf
Dark pulse
Spikes
Substitute

thebest said:

Greninja@darkgem
Ability: protean
EVs: sp. attk 252 speed 252 attk 5
Nature: Hasty
Surf
Dark pulse
Spikes
Substitute

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Not a counter. A counter is a Pokemon that can easily avoid the 2HKO from the Pokemon in question and act accordingly. Greninja fails to do that, since it's OHKOed by Dynamic Punch and takes a large chunk from Earthquake. It's a check at best. The only gem that exists in X/Y is the Normal Gem; the others don't exist there. And what good does Substitute do for Greninja?

Anyway:
Sylveon:

-Hyper Voice
-Shadow Ball
-Psyshock
-Hidden Power (Ground)
Nature: Modest
EVs: 244 HP/252 SAtk/12 Spe
Item: Choice Specs
Ability: Pixilate

Tanks any one move Greninja throws at it and blasts through Greninja's Sub with Hyper Voice.