Mr.Mako

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Seen December 14th, 2018
Posted March 6th, 2018
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To be blunt we knew this could happen, but I'm just as floored as many others. Honestly i feel like maybe its time to halt outright announcing things to the masses until its time for release to minimize the chance of nintendont nuking it before completion. That said im not surprised that koolboyman was the one to get the first strike of the hammer. I say that because it was obvious that if nintendont were to nuke a hack it would be one from one of the bigger names in the community. That said kinda curious as to why they picked prism over something like prpb but it is a moot point. I doubt this will be the end of nintendont attacking its fanbase. Btw i say nintendont because they dont want us altering their ip in ways they believe will detract from the sales they have. That said i think we have a lot to worry about now.

Hikamaru

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Seen January 24th, 2019
Posted September 4th, 2018
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Mr.Mako has a point. I feel that the reason something like this happened was because the promotional material was released on a site that is popular, along with Nintendo having a fear that these hacks and fangames might detract sales from their official games. Also, looking at the logo of Pokemon Prism, it has notable similarity to the logos of Pokemon Sun & Moon. There's also one of 7th Gen's new legendary Pokemon Necrozma who seems to be based on a prism (its ability is also called Prism Armor) and might indicate that Prism is what the rumoured Sun & Moon sequel might actually be called.

It's definitely a reason why I think fear will be running rampant around the ROM hack community.
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Mr.Mako has a point. I feel that the reason something like this happened was because the promotional material was released on a site that is popular, along with Nintendo having a fear that these hacks and fangames might detract sales from their official games. Also, looking at the logo of Pokemon Prism, it has notable similarity to the logos of Pokemon Sun & Moon. There's also one of 7th Gen's new legendary Pokemon Necrozma who seems to be based on a prism (its ability is also called Prism Armor) and might indicate that Prism is what the rumoured Sun & Moon sequel might actually be called.

It's definitely a reason why I think fear will be running rampant around the ROM hack community.
I don't think Necrozma has anything to do with it. Besides, lots of other POkemon exist which have some object or artibute you could link to a prism.

I think here's it's just a case of Nintendo protecting its IP (and yes, to protect against a possible detraction of sales) from a rom hack (which are all illegal with copyright usage) which got particularly popular. I think also that only the popular ones will really be targeted still.

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Posted December 23rd, 2017
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I guess they gotta protect their brand, but I do wish they would be less aggressive about it. Also, they C&D prism but still leave the endless app store Pokmon knockoffs? That just seems a little horrible of them, C&D on the fan games but letting the infinite cheap knockoffs go unscathed?

Hikamaru

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Posted September 4th, 2018
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You do have a point, since I feel IP protection would make more sense as the logical reason. I think this serves as a message that promoting a hack and seeing it get popular will cause the creator of said hack to be at risk of their creations getting nuked.
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I didn't really know much about this rom hack project, but I really enjoy seeing the progress of it and the result is pretty amazing.

Pretty terrible of Nintendo to do such a thing sadly.

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Posted August 15th, 2020
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12.8 Years
Nintendo are 100% within their rights and not exercising that right actively harms their legal integrity. Yes, it sucks, no, they aren't machiavellian suits plotting ways to make their fanbase hate them.

As for the future of ROM Hacking, I think it's going to continue as business as usual, honestly. We've, or at least I have, always operated under the knowledge that it can all go away with the snap of a lawyer's fingers, but I don't ROM hack to get a release, I do it because it's fun. It's not like there aren't still ways to release ROM hacks, it's just that they aren't sustainable at such massive levels of popularity. Not to "victim blame" but I'd argue this was a predictable outcome when you partner with something as huge as tpp to promote your hack. Probably not KBM's wisest idea, but of course I'm still very sympathetic that it actually happened and sad that I'll likely not get to play Prism.

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Should've just stayed low and under the radar. :S

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This is why we use Patches, to avoid all this legal nonsense. When you go on making trailers and other things on social media which promotes your game using copyright characters and a copyright franchise, the least you can expect is this result. Like him, I too think that the fact that he promoted his game using the Pokemon franchise's name is what brought upon it's downfall.

I think taking down his website and the video would do well enough. He can still release his game in the form of a patch, as that would be entirely his work by definition.
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He was releasing a patch, just in a custom format. They're still requiring its takedown. The game cannot legally be given to the public.
I don't think they have legal ability to issue the takedown of a patch, as they own neither the technique or data contained.
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Seen November 25th, 2019
Posted June 15th, 2017
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8.7 Years
I don't think they have legal ability to issue the takedown of a patch, as they own neither the technique or data contained.
they do have the legal ability, the c&d objected to the distributing of a game using the pokemon brand, not the data

it doesn't really matter anyway since most hackers aren't crazy enough to fight nintendo's lawyers in court over something as frivolous as a fangame

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I don't know, there's nothing left to be said, it's a real shame and while Nintendo is at its damn well right, this doesn't feel fair at all. Just like what Hands said up there, Prism was a Non-Profitable project for an almost 2 decades old game that in no way could harm Nintendo, it was such an awful move of them.
Leaving this whole incident aside though, can anyone actually guess a fraction of the sadness that KBM must be experiencing right now? All those years of unpaid work for nothing.. this is just.. agh, awful.

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they do have the legal ability, the c&d objected to the distributing of a game using the pokemon brand, not the data

it doesn't really matter anyway since most hackers aren't crazy enough to fight nintendo's lawyers in court over something as frivolous as a fangame
I see. Rather than the game itself, they're tackling the brand name route. So keeping things under the radar is the only way to get around that (lol).

I don't see ROM hacking dieing out because of this though.
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Posted January 8th, 2018
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In the end, Prism just got too popular too fast. If the recent trailer didn't put it into the limelight, it probably wouldn't have been as likely to be taken down. The worst part about this is how it hurts everybody. It hurts the fanbase because they are being punished for paying tribute for the games they love, it hurts the developer because all those years of working on big scale projects like these were pretty much wasted, and it even hurts Nintendo's credibility as a business. They can potentially lose fans for doing something like this. Ik it's important to protect their IPs, but still. I can't quite understand why they keep going for the fan games that don't even profit, when there are online app games that DO profit from from this, and yet Nintendo hasn't made an attempt at those. (From what I hear at least.) The fact that they seem to be the only company doing this sure doesn't help them either. In the end, the company's gotta do what they gotta do. We can't exactly stop them from protecting what is their's in the first place. :/

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This makes it hard to be a Nintendo fan imo, even though Pokemon is the only IP I like from them. Honestly I'm thinking of not getting the Switch now which I think is where the next generation will be on. I'm disappointed with Nintendo taking down fan games even if they have a right to.

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Seen January 27th, 2020
Posted January 27th, 2020
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5.2 Years
This is a real, real bummer, especially considering the implications it could have on hacking going into the future. I'm glad the mods seem to be optimistic about the future of hacking in general.

That said, my plan has always been to not make a thread on my hack until the whole thing is done and the patch can be uploaded, and after this that plan is definitely not going to change.

Masterge77

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Seen September 4th, 2018
Posted July 10th, 2018
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12.8 Years
And thus another great fan-game gets shut down like Uranium before it. 2016 just seems to be a really bad year for everyone, including fan-game makers. Personally, I think Nintendo was afraid that Prism would take attention away from the recent release and sales of Sun and Moon, just as Uranium was shut down not that long after Pokemon Go was released... as if an unofficial and unlicensed fan-game was going to take away attention from an official product that was already guaranteed to be a financial success.

I do feel bad for all those who wanted to play these games, but sadly, there's nothing we can do about it. It doesn't help that majority of those who wanted to play Prism had likely already finished Sun and Moon, and it's going to be a while (like, a year or two) before the next official main series Pokemon game comes out, so I dunno what can be a good substitute for Prism would be other than the recently released official Pokemon games.

Sadly, like I said earlier, there's nothing we can do about it, and that's just a sad fact about life.

So for those who were planning on downloading Prism and doing let's plays and nuzlockes of it and what not when it's final version was released, what can you do instead of playing the final version of Prism now that you can't play it? Well, there's obviously Sun and Moon if you haven't played those already, and even if you finished the two official Pokemon games released this year, there are still plenty of other Pokemon fan games and ROM hacks to check out. Though there aren't any Pokemon hacks I can think of that are Crystal ROM hacks like Prism was, since a majority of Pokemon ROM hacks on this site are of the Gen 3 games like Emerald and FireRed, especially given that Gen 2 doesn't have nearly as many tools available and is rather niche among the hacking community. Even outside of ROM hacks, there are still other fan-games to check out.

On a side note, one reason I think both Uranium and Prism got shut down was because of publicity, since Uranium had articles on gaming journalism sites when it was still being produced, and Prism was played on Twitch Plays Pokemon (which I am surprised was still going even though the golden days of Lord Helix are long over), so large amounts of publicity may be to blame for why both of these got shut down.