Bank Allows Transferring RBY VC Pokemon into Sun and Moon

I'm a little surprised at the fact that you can transfer Pokemon and all the glitches are left intact but... I guess maybe it's not that weird?

They've already made some edits to the games to update them for 3DS, even though they're still quite faithful, so I wouldn't be surprised if under the hood, everything's being given natures and stuff like that for when/if they get transferred up to a newer gen.
 
SaniOKh said:
What else... oh yeah, if the Bank can't transfer Mews obtained with the Mew glitch... then, this feature, at least to me, will be completely and utterly worthless. I don't see the problem with Mew becoming easily obtainable, IMHO the existence of event exclusive species of Pokémon is the only thing holding the franchise back.

We'll wait and see...
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I would think it difficult to determine whether the Mew is glitched or not, those games store a lot less information than modern Pokemon games do. We'll probably be okay for it, plus Mew is still not allowed in VGC or on GTS so what good is it for them to block it?
 
Necrum said:
I would think it difficult to determine whether the Mew is glitched or not, those games store a lot less information than modern Pokemon games do.
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... unless they don't plan on distributing Mew for Gen 1 at all, in that case they could consider all Mews coming from Gen 1 as glitched and prevent them from crossing over simply based on species :) .
 
Do you think we'll be able to transfer R/B/Y pokemon into X/Y?
 
SaniOKh said:
Not really. The hardware/low-level software incompatibility (most probably the GBC and GBA networking protocols being too different to be compatible) was the main reason why Gen 1/2 and 3 could not connect. The new data structure is a result of GF realizing they no longer needed to ensure backwards compatibility and using this opportunity to create a new, more interesting, more balanced and kludge-free system.


I think the conversion will be simple. here's how I would do it:
  • Take each stat, calculate the ratio of EVs for this stat divided by the EVs in every stat. Then take the ratio of all gained EVs across all stats divided by all obtainable EVs, multiply by 510 to get the amont of EVs the convrted Pokémon will have. And then, using the ratios caculated for each stat, spread the EVs in the same proportion as they were in Gen 1 (factor in the ratio calculated for the Special stat twice, for obvious reasons). There sure will be side effects, because Pokémon in Gen 1 could have all their EVs maxed out instead of two stats, so a perfect ace in Gen 1 will become a Jack of all trades, master of none in Gen 7, but hey, what can you do?
  • Multiply the IVs by two and add one. Use the formula that is more or less used in Gen 1 to determine the HP IV (which didn't exist as an independent value back then) and to the same.
  • Use the same formula as in Gen 2 to determine the gender and whether the Pokémon is shiny.
  • Transfer the species, the nickname (they might not keep this one, with their paranoid censorship system and everything) , the moves and the experience points verbatim.
  • Everything else... well, there's nothing to base Natures, Abilities and everything else on, so that will be determined at complete random. Factoring in other data could make the conversion formula open for abuse (imagine if someone discovered a series of moves or something a particular Pokémon could have to get the best abilities in Gen 7) .
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That'd be a little awkward because in that case, every Pokémon transferred from the RBY ports would have odd-numbered IVs. You'd also have the weird situation of female Pokémon always having lower attack IVs than the males. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but it'd introduce a few oddities that battle simulators like Showdown would have to account for (for example, a female Pidgeot that knows Solar Beam and has maxed out attack IVs wouldn't be legal a legal set).


BettyNewbie said:
I wonder if the fact that RBY can transfer to SM but not XY and ORAS could be a possible hint that the stat system is getting revamped and simplified in SM? Stats were very simple in RBY and GSC, with only 15 IVs, no Natures, and no EV caps, so it was much easier to have strong/viable Pokémon back then.

As somebody who hates IVs, EVs, and especially Natures, going back to RBY/GSC style stats would be a real treat, and it would certainly go a long way towards simplifying Gen 7, as they were talking about back when XY first came out.
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I had forgotten all about that comment. This actually makes me a bit worried that this is what they plan to do for Sun & Moon ;-; This reminds me of Masuda's comments that he didn't want the Battle Frontier in OR/AS because it was too complicated for casual players. I'm not a huge fan of how GameFreak is leaning so much towards simplicity these days.
 
SaniOKh said:
... unless they don't plan on distributing Mew for Gen 1 at all, in that case they could consider all Mews coming from Gen 1 as glitched and prevent them from crossing over simply based on species :) .
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They already announced a distribution for those who bought one of the special edition 2DS or 3DS consoles to redeem at Toys R Us. I don't think it was in all regions but it's already a thing they are planning to put out there.
 
According to Serebii.net, the Mew being distributed is for X/Y/OR/AS though, not for Gen 1 games.
 
Sopheria said:
I had forgotten all about that comment. This actually makes me a bit worried that this is what they plan to do for Sun & Moon ;-; This reminds me of Masuda's comments that he didn't want the Battle Frontier in OR/AS because it was too complicated for casual players. I'm not a huge fan of how GameFreak is leaning so much towards simplicity these days.
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For better or worse, casual players make up a larger proportion of the audience than competitive players, so yes, GF should be giving casuals more consideration. XY offered next-to-nothing for people who aren't interested in competitive battling, and they ended up being the worst-selling main paired games (a title once held by RS for years). SM would greatly benefit from going in a different direction than XY.
 
GF may very well be recoding the original RBY stats and inserting hidden attributes (EVs, IVs, etc) that will only be able to be read in Sun and Moon's code. Pokemon Bank, naturally, acts as the buffer/link between the two. Of course, there will need to be a new patch that will allow Bank to make it happen.
 
I was not expecting this, but I'll totally accept it! I was already planning to get Red (and Yellow) tomorrow; I wasn't expecting this to be possible at all, but they actually did it, and I think that's awesome! Now we'll never worry about the friends we make in RBY and not being able to bring them up to the modern games :) I also think it's cool that the Gen 1-2 exclusive moves will be legal in modern play, now.

The sole fact that we can only do this in SM pretty much guarantees it's gonna be Gen 7, IMO.

Castform said:
I am really curious as to how the Nature of the Pokemon are going to be determined. Will it be completely random?
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Pretty sure everything not in Gen 1 will be randomly generated upon transferral to Gen 6/7, and the special stat split, along with other stats, will be approximated based on modern Pokémon mechanics and stuff.

Sopheria said:
I certainly wasn't expecting this. This officially makes RBY-exclusive movesets available in the modern era. Sorta makes that "limited edition" Lance's Dragonite that they're giving out as prizes for Kanto Classic not-so-limited edition anymore :P

Here's what I'm curious about:

So in other words:

RBY---------->Sun/Moon
XY/ORAS----->Sun/Moon
RBY-----X----->XY/ORAS

This just raises all kinds of questions about Sun & Moon and the Pokémon Bank. I'm still trying to fully wrap my head around why this limitation would exist. Presumably, you'd be transferring from RBY to the Pokémon Bank, and once it's in the Pokémon Bank, it can be placed into any game that's compatible with the Pokémon Bank. But this tells me there's a gap between XY/ORAS Pokémon Bank functionality and Sun & Moon Pokémon Bank functionality.

Perhaps Sun & Moon has a separate Pokémon Bank repository from XY/ORAS?
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I think it'll still all be in the same application; it would read each of the games separately off the SD Card like they already do for XY/ORAS, although as I believe that SM is Gen 7, Pokémon moved to SM cannot be moved to XY/ORAS. Not really sure why the RBY Pokémon have to skip XY/ORAS, but I think that alone confirms that SM is a new generation. Again though, doesn't answer why RBY can't go to XY/ORAS...who knows?
 
I see that 'limitation' in a way sort of how the transition between Gen 3 and Gen 4 handled the transfer of inter-generational Pokemon. The fact the process only applies to RBY -> SM but not RBY -> XY/ORAS definitely tells me the coding for the former was only going to be doable with the latter, and that in order for that to happen a special kind of update patch to Pokemon Bank will be necessary for that app's data to store the color generation's internal data.
 
I find this to be a real treat. Backwards compatibility is extremely fascinating to me and I didn't think they'd actually make these re-releases compatible with the newer games. It makes me interested in actually getting the older games now that I know catching Pokemon in them actually has significance. At least, to me, it does. I've pretty much always wanted Gen I/Gen II to be compatible with stuff later on.
 
This is a pretty cool thing to do!

And while I doubt it be awesome if missingo was transferable and made a cannon pokemon in Sun and Moon.
 
Or what if GF completely ignores it all and just transfers the Gen 1 Pokemon without changing anything, and like make another subtype for these Pokemon, probably called RBY Pokemon. Would make it interesting to fight with since they would have a completely different formula with the current one. Would probably be either super OP or terribly unbalanced
 
Are the games already compatible with Bank on their own? Like can you trade Pokemon between the VC games by using Pokemon Bank?

Or is it only a one way trip in order to transfer them to Pokemon Sun & Moon?

I'm just wondering how you're supposed to activate your virtual console game with Pokemon Bank right now. Does it need to update first?
 
Crin said:
Do you think we'll be able to transfer R/B/Y pokemon into X/Y?
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You can't transfer from RBY VC to XY, only from RBY VC to SM.

I do think it's pretty exciting that you can transfer from the VC to SM (and definitely a good reason to get the VC games hahaha) and like Nas160 mentioned I think this is a good indication that SM is Gen VII and not Gen VI, or else why would the RBY Pokemon be able to be transferred to SM and not XYORAS. Weird that they can't be transferred to Gen VI in the first place but eh
 
This is actually really unexpected, but I'm interested to see how they will make it possible. I've already bought Yellow from the eShop, so by the time of release I'll have plenty of Pokemon to transfer over. 8)
 
BettyNewbie said:
I wonder if the fact that RBY can transfer to SM but not XY and ORAS could be a possible hint that the stat system is getting revamped and simplified in SM? Stats were very simple in RBY and GSC, with only 15 IVs, no Natures, and no EV caps, so it was much easier to have strong/viable Pokémon back then.

As somebody who hates IVs, EVs, and especially Natures, going back to RBY/GSC style stats would be a real treat, and it would certainly go a long way towards simplifying Gen 7, as they were talking about back when XY first came out.
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But you're basically destroying what the competitive Pokémon community has established to make the games more complex and appealing for adult Pokémon fans. Remember what happened with Brawl? Competitive Smash players loathed that entry for removing the complex techniques found in Melee and simplifying the mechanics for casuals. There's a reason why phrases like "Don't touch me, you filthy casual," and "git gud" exist to counter the casual audience from hardcore gamers. I did made a thread at the video games section regarding the debate between single player experience and competitive experience, and one of the replies mentions how competitive play is now the way to go these days.

While on the subject of competitive Pokémon, since Articuno could learn bubblebeam in R/B/Y and it has a 65 base power this gen, do you think it would make a better alternative from Water Pulse and Hidden Power (being on 60 base power this gen).
 
So, let's ignore the possibility that new egg moves might be added for existing pokemon in Sun and Moon and just focus on the current gen, is there ANY point in getting moves from R/B/Y into the new generation? By that I mean are any of the Tms/Hms teachable to the first 151 pokemon available right now as egg moves? I'm trying to decide if I want to bother getting any of these games and was initially not going to because there was no compatibility, but if the moves taught in these games can be given to currently existing pokemon as egg moves (and there's no other way to get those moves, ofcourse) then I would consider getting the game in preparation for the sun and moon games to breed onto existing pokemon later, HOWEVER, if there's absolutely no compatibility with the pokemon now existing (AGAIN, because people have skim read this post, I KNOW there's no direct trading between the games, I'm asking for future use of currently existing pokemon) there likely won't be in the future
 
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