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Magearna @ Choice Specs
Ability: Soul Heart
EVs: 200 HP / 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 48 Spe
Modest Nature
- Fleur Cannon
- Flash Cannon
- Aura Sphere
- Volt Switch

Magearna is immune to both of Dragalge's STABs and can survive at least one Focus Blast while threatening an OHKO with Specs-boosted Fleur Cannon.
 

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Shedinja @ Focus Sash
Ability: Wonder Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- X-Scissor
- Shadow Sneak
- Protect

Couldn't think of much else but Wonder Guard makes Shedinja wall Magearna for eternity.
 
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Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge

If Shedinja isn't holding Safety Goggles (and in this case, it isn't), it gets taken out in one turn by Hippowdon's Sandstorm. If it is, then it still has to worry about Stone Edge.
 

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Jellicent @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe
Bold nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt

Jellicent walls Hippowdon, can cripple with Wisp, fish for burns with Scald (and consequently 3HKO), and Taunt to prevent Hippowdown from using Slack Off.
 
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Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 168 HP / 252 SpA / 88 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Flash Cannon
- Hidden Power [Fire]
 

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Excadrill @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
- Rapid Spin
- Toxic

HP Fire is a 2HKO at best (not even a crit can OHKO). Meanwhile Excadrill outspeeds and OHKO's with Earthquake, ignoring Sturdy if you opt for it through Mold Breaker.
 

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Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 200 SpD / 56 Spe
Careful nature
- Swords Dance
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Roost

gliscor is annoying
 

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Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
- Moonlight
- Flamethrower

FU Gliscor (+6 is an OHKO)
 

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clefable is what's actually annoying

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Arbok @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
-Gunk Shot
-Coil
-Earthquake
-Sucker Punch

+1 0 SpA Clefable Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Arbok: 113-133 (43.2 - 50.9%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO

Arbok outspeeds and OHKO's with Gunk Shot if that wasn't obvious
 
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Skarmory @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Iron Head
- Spikes
- Roost
- Whirlwind

 

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Helllo there:
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Salazzle @ Life Orb
Ability: Oblivious
EVs: 252spa/4spd/252spe
Timid Nature
-Flamethrower
-Sludge Bomb
-Encore
-Nasty Plot

Flamethrower has a chance to OHKO whereas Iron Head is only a 5HKO. As a bonus, Salazzle can lock Skarm into either Roost or Spikes if those moves are used.
 

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Heatran @ Grassium-Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Flamethrower
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Solarbeam

Yes hello, that is you being unable to touch me
 
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Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Sp. Atk / 16 Spe
Modest Nature
-Draco Meteor
-Fire Blast
-Sludge Bomb
-Earthquake

Goodra can take 7+ Earth Powers or Flamethrowers and is not just immune to Solarbeam/Grass Z-Move by virtue of its ability but gets a powered up Earthquake as a result. It can tank anything you throw at it and then 2HKO with EQ, or if you hit it with a Grass move on the switch, OHKO.
 

Dark Azelf

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Megagross can at best 4HKO Torkoal but Overheat OHKOs Megagross. (I'm assuming that Spd is meant to be Speed not Special Defense although this pretty much applies either way).

SpD = Special Defense

Spd = Speed

Writing stuff how it is on the smog stratdex lol.

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 144 Def / 112 SpD
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock
- Slack Off
- Stone Edge

If Shedinja isn't holding Safety Goggles (and in this case, it isn't), it gets taken out in one turn by Hippowdon's Sandstorm. If it is, then it still has to worry about Stone Edge.

Landorus -T @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Speed
Adamant Nature (+Atk, - SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Knock Off
- Earthquake
- Smackdown

Cos gimmick.
 
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Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Energy Ball

It has trouble switching in (Knock Off 2HKOs on a high roll and Earthquake hurts), but once it does, Manaphy can OHKO Landorus with Scald after one round of Life Orb recoil or Ice Beam
 

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Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Tail Glow
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Energy Ball

It has trouble switching in (Knock Off 2HKOs on a high roll and Earthquake hurts), but once it does, Manaphy can OHKO Landorus with Scald after one round of Life Orb recoil or Ice Beam
It's not a counter if it can't switch in directly. A counter is only a counter if it can easily take a hit from the opposing Pokemon and acting accordingly

Anyway:

Toxapex:
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-Scald
-Toxic
-Haze
-Recover
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP/224 Def/32 SDef
Item: Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator

Toxapex has the bulk to take Manaphy's attacks and can Haze away its Tail Glow boosts.
 

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It still works out anyway, Lando can't OHKO Manaphy on the switch and Manaphy outspeeds and kills on the next turn with Ice Beam.

For Toxapex:

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Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe / 4 Def
Timid Nature
-Moonblast
-Psyshock
-Focus Blast
-Shadow Ball

Scald doesn't do a whole lot, and the power of STAB Psychic Terrain boosted Psyshock will break it down faster than it can heal itself.
 

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Tapu Lele can actually find itself go to Ubers. Shamelessly stealing the first set because it's Lele.

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Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Leech Seed
- Protect
- Heavy Slam
- Flamethrower

Not much to say here.

Side note, if you're calling out Manaphy as not a counter you need to provide your own counter to the mon and Toxapex most certainly can't counter Lando xD
 
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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic

If Celesteela does not have Earthquake (and in this case, it doesn't), Heatran can switch in on anything it tries to do, then cripple it with Taunt or 2HKO it with Magma Storm
 
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Heatran @ Leftovers / Air Balloon / Grassium Z
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Magma Storm
- Earth Power
- Taunt
- Toxic / Solar Beam

If Celesteela does not have Earthquake (and in this case, it doesn't), Heatran can switch in on anything it tries to do, then cripple it with Taunt or 2HKO it with Magma Storm

You aren't meant to slash things in since it kind of messes with the game. So I'll just assume the first option for everything. So with that in mind

Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Dragon Dance
-Outrage
-Extreme Speed
-Earthquake

Dragonite is immune to Earth Power and can tank Magma Storm's for eons. Lum Berry can cure Toxic on the switch if it needs to. Meanwhile EQ OHKO's Heatran.
 
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