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Kingdom Hearts Series.

~Ryukaa said:
Ahh, I see. xDD;;
Figures, since I don't read many of the interviews.
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Yeah too many confusing in why Sora has the keyblade.
But I really do remember he took it from Riku. :O But I forgot how tho :o
 
Lightning said:
Well, the series is being released on like every handheld platform available and a lot of people don't have access to these games. If you skipped over CoM originally, the reason Sora was sleeping and the base introduction to the Organization was lost. I mean, it's not a huge gap but now it'll definitely be confusing if you skip BBS, or if you grabbed Days as your first game and only play the handheld ones... etc. :p It's one of those series where the whole thing only makes sense if you play EVERYTHING.

Agreed.

Wait, what? :( Disagreeing with you there. The only thing wrong with the original CoM was that the Disney worlds were really boring in comparison to everything else and... they still are. (I totally skipped all the non-spoken cutscenes in the KH1 worlds when I played the English Re:COM.) All Re:CoM really added was [blurry] voiced cutscenes and ONE extra battle. I mean, I'm not complaining because Marluxia's my favourite and he probably benefited the most from the remake even if they made his hair even pinker again but even before the remake, CoM was easily my favourite. :/ How is it not a "true" KH game?

No, I think what was wrong with CoM was that it lacked 3D, voices,
better cards.

3D and Voices are the basic elements of a KH game.
Almost every KH game has it, except CoM.
Re: CoM was made with those elements and with Re: CoM,
CoM was thrown in the trash while Re: CoM stood out.

And also, Re: CoM had 2 extra bosses. One was Zexion,
and the other was Marluxia III. (Yes, Marluxia has 3 forms instead of 2 in Re: CoM)

Worst game in KH history was totally Re:Coded. Pointless story, horrible controls, worst camera ever, and frustrating requirements. :( As I said before (though I'm not the person you quoted, lol), CoM was my favourite game before Re:CoM and I still consider them on equal ground. There are some things that Re:CoM complicated too much (bad camera, awkward battles) and some things it definitely improved on (cutscenes, new cards) but overall they're pretty much the same game.

Yes, you are right, but it had the basic elements of a KH game.
But what was wrong was the hard battles, where the bugs were
extremely hard to beat. (I sweared a lot of times playing this
game, maybe because it was hard.) It may be a bad KH game, but not
the worst. The worst one was the 3D lacking CoM. It should be
forgotten, because I think that the remake should take all the pride away.

Well, the original FM wasn't THAT amazingly different from the first KH. It mostly came around because when Kingdom Hearts was released in Japan, it was lacking a lot of what our English version had. There was no Sephiroth fight, all those extra fights at the end weren't in it... and the Japanese complained. So Square re-released it with the English voiceovers, added in a few cutscenes, and added those missing fights and called it Final Mix. (And they also added in some abilities and the ability to skip cutscenes skldjfs ♥. So to an English player there isn't a looot that would make you go "omg must buy again!" but apparently it was enough for Japanese players.

Well, I never play Japanese KH games, so I couldn't compare them.

KH2:FM+ though? That was a HUUUGE difference. There were TONS of extra fights added (both plot and extras at the end), a fair few new cutscenes, a new area to explore, more gummi ship challenges, new drive form, etc. AND it came packaged with Re:CoM to boot. It was definitely worth it.

Well, I only knew that Terra's Lingering Spirit was added,
along with the Organization 13 members that were in CoM. (Larxene,
Leaxeus, Zexion, Axel, Vexen and Marluxia)
Not much of a difference, I suppose.

BBSFM has some extra fights that weren't in the English version but the English version kinda pulled a KH1 and had a bunch of extras that weren't in the original Japanese so really the only thing added (that's different from the English version) was some extra fights/arena things... and possibly trophies. I think. (I don't own this one yet since I can't justify buying the game three times in roughly a year. ;__;)

Well, that's a lot more different...

They did change the camera. And the physical camera itself (like the chase cam, though you have to specifically enable that in the menu) isn't THAT bad but the controls for the camera really are. In Days, you control the camera with L and R which is... pretty normal. In Re:Coded? You press R to centre the camera behind you and you have to hold down R and use the D-pad to adjust the camera otherwise. Which is impossible in the midst of a fight so I was constantly just tapping R to try to see what the hell I was fighting all the time, which can be suicide in a tough battle. >_>

Oh, yes, now I remember! Can't believe that I forgot.

I've tried emulating Re:COM right from my disc and it played badly... and I have a pretty good computer. :( I guess out of all the PS2 games I tried, it worked a little better but I'd still suggest importing the game and a SwapMagic or something to play it. Less hassle and arguably more legal.

Did you have the correct settings? I guess not. There are a lot of tutorials teaching how to emulate PS2 games in Youtube. And why would you buy the games
when you can download them without getting caught?

In Hong Kong, it was originally illegal to download games from the internet,
but since over half of Hong Kong downloaded games, the goverment
had no choice but to make downloading games legal instead.

After all, you can't send half of the city's citizens to jail, right?
I'd doubt there would be enough prisons to send them all in.

And by the way, what's Swap Magic?
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Sarcastic Prince said:
Well, I only knew that Terra's Lingering Spirit was added,
along with the Organization 13 members that were in CoM. (Larxene,
Leaxeus, Zexion, Axel, Vexen and Marluxia)
Not much of a difference, I suppose
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Let see whats the difference in KHIIFM than KHII.

KHIIFM Added Stuff:

-Scene were Sora Meets Roxas in The World that Never was; In KHIIFM that is a fightable fight.(pain in the ass).

- Terra Fight

- few new keyblades

- more than enough new scenes

- Fighting Marluxia, Zexion, Roxas(I know I said it before), Larexene, Lexaues

- Re-fighting all the organization; Meaning all of them with stronger power, more HP, with new moves for example when you fight Axel the fire will actually hurt you when he turns the place into fire.

- New areas CoD, and the place where you face all 13 Organization I forgot the names

- plus it was bundled with KHReCoM thats why its called "Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix +"

- New Abilities

- New Mini Games; Organization Mushroom mini game where you win a Keyblade from doing all 13.

- Crown Puzzle Pieces (Different from the Crown stickers).

- New Accessories.

- INCLUDING a new Form called Limit Form

- one new ability with Limit form is Dodge Roll

- New Mode; Critical Mode (Introduced in KHIIFM)

- Theater mode(with English and Japanese voices) also Introduce to KHIIFM

KHIIFM is a BIG difference from KHII surprise they can add all of this stuff on a DVDRom disc >.>

Also Lightning if I am forgetting something please add it :D
 
Well I think I read all the comments after mine.Now I have 1 sentece.Wtf r yall talking about I don't know a freaking thing about HOW he got the keyblade so Idk what u mean,and its probley best u don't try 2 explane it.1 question
What does KHIIFM stand for?It IS a kh game right?
 
miley810 said:
Well I think I read all the comments after mine.Now I have 1 sentece.Wtf r yall talking about I don't know a freaking thing about HOW he got the keyblade so Idk what u mean,and its probley best u don't try 2 explane it.1 question
What does KHIIFM stand for?It IS a kh game right?
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Nevermind the Sora and Keyblade thing.

and KHIIFM stand for Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix
 
miley810 said:
Well I think I read all the comments after mine.Now I have 1 sentece.Wtf r yall talking about I don't know a freaking thing about HOW he got the keyblade so Idk what u mean,and its probley best u don't try 2 explane it.1 question
What does KHIIFM stand for?It IS a kh game right?
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Miley, it would appear that you are lacking a lot of information on "Kingdom Hearts".

But no matter, I'll explain how Sora got the Keyblade.

In KH 1, when Sora fell into the darkness with Riku, it would appear that
some light saved him. And what was that light? It was the Keyblade.
There are a lot of references in KH 1 explaining that the "Keyblade chooses its master".

Well, what I think is that the Keyblade only chose Sora because he needed
to be saved from the darkness... And to do so, the Keyblade "chose" him so that he could be rid of the darkness.

So, Miley, do you get all that?
If not, then get that piece of information memorized.

And thank you, Author, for your reply on KH 2 FM.
 
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I... I think you got everything... XD; Though I still never considered it a *big* difference. Only reason I got it originally was because it was getting released with Re:COM. (I remember I didn't even play KH2FM until like a month after I got it.)

I never thought Sora got the keyblade from Riku... o.o I thought he got it from [bbs spoilers]
Spoiler:

But I guess it makes more sense if he did "take" it from Riku since otherwise the whole stealing-the-keyblade-back in Hollow Bastion would make no sense in KH1. @_@ But how did he originally gain the ability to take the keyblade anyway? I'm not totally convinced it happened when he and Riku fell into darkness because didn't he have a Dive to Heart (the symbol of obtaining the keyblade, as far as I know?) before DI fell to darkness? Though I suppose he didn't have a keyblade then.
Sarcastic Prince said:
No, I think what was wrong with CoM was that it lacked 3D, voices,
better cards.

3D and Voices are the basic elements of a KH game.
Almost every KH game has it, except CoM.
Re: CoM was made with those elements and with Re: CoM,
CoM was thrown in the trash while Re: CoM stood out.

And also, Re: CoM had 2 extra bosses. One was Zexion,
and the other was Marluxia III. (Yes, Marluxia has 3 forms instead of 2 in Re: CoM)
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:P You do not need to lecture me on the differences in COMs. It was my favourite game up until BBS.

But... I totally disagree that 3D and voices are basic elements. Look at 358/2 Days... it doesn't have all that much voicework and most of the plot? Yeah, it's done CoM style with speech bubbles. :/ Sure, some important cutscenes were done in "proper" 3D with but most of it was really no different than CoM. (Just uglier, imo, since the 3D was kind of awkward and would've worked better as sprites. :p)

COM and Re:COM are the same game. I don't see how Re:COM can be a real KH game when the exact same game, just with lesser graphics, isn't. @_@ The plot is the same whether there's voice acting or not, and same with whether there's movies to watch or just speech bubbles to tap through.

Yes, you are right, but it had the basic elements of a KH game.
But what was wrong was the hard battles, where the bugs were
extremely hard to beat. (I sweared a lot of times playing this
game, maybe because it was hard.) It may be a bad KH game, but not
the worst. The worst one was the 3D lacking CoM. It should be
forgotten, because I think that the remake should take all the pride away.
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But Re:Coded barely had any 3D scenes either. :( Sure, you play it in 3D but it's all jaggy and ugly ('cause lol DS graphics). I think the sprites in COM were more pleasing to the eyes. :/ At least COM was playable and made good use of the system it was on (remember it came out in 2004 on GBA... don't judge it against the engines that ran KH1/2 @_@) whereas Re:Coded somehow took a big step backwards from Days.
Did you have the correct settings? I guess not. There are a lot of tutorials teaching how to emulate PS2 games in Youtube. And why would you buy the games
when you can download them without getting caught?

In Hong Kong, it was originally illegal to download games from the internet,
but since over half of Hong Kong downloaded games, the goverment
had no choice but to make downloading games legal instead.

After all, you can't send half of the city's citizens to jail, right?
I'd doubt there would be enough prisons to send them all in.

And by the way, what's Swap Magic?
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._. Because I don't like freeloading and I like to support the developers I like. Also, a lot of countries don't have unlimited bandwidth and I know for me, it's almost cheaper sometimes to import a game all the way from Japan than it is to spend the bandwidth downloading it. But piracy isn't really a discussion for this thread.

I had the right settings because other games worked fine. It's just some KH games simply don't work as well as others, I guess. Regardless, it's much easier to just get the real deal and play it normally than fiddle with settings forever, for me. :p (Swap Magic is a disc+device that tricks a PS2 into thinking it's reading a disc of the same region. Can also be used to read burnt discs but, as I said, this is not a discussion on piracy. xD)
 
Lightning said:
:P You do not need to lecture me on the differences in COMs. It was my favourite game up until BBS.

But... I totally disagree that 3D and voices are basic elements. Look at 358/2 Days... it doesn't have all that much voicework and most of the plot? Yeah, it's done CoM style with speech bubbles. :/ Sure, some important cutscenes were done in "proper" 3D with but most of it was really no different than CoM. (Just uglier, imo, since the 3D was kind of awkward and would've worked better as sprites. :p)

I played 358/2 Days... It was the best NDS game ever because
of the basic elements of a KH game had. Sure, it had fewer voices
than most KH games, but AT LEAST it had voices.
CoM lacked the following, so a remake was made to
entertain the fans. (At least, it's what I believe.)

COM and Re:COM are the same game. I don't see how Re:COM can be a real KH game when the exact same game, just with lesser graphics, isn't. @_@ The plot is the same whether there's voice acting or not, and same with whether there's movies to watch or just speech bubbles to tap through.

Same in the plot and gameplay, but very different when it comes
to determine which game was better. Everything's better when you get
to listen to the voice actors and get to play with better graphics. Remakes are made to be better than its original version. At least, that's what I believe.

But Re:Coded barely had any 3D scenes either. :( Sure, you play it in 3D but it's all jaggy and ugly ('cause lol DS graphics). I think the sprites in COM were more pleasing to the eyes. :/ At least COM was playable and made good use of the system it was on (remember it came out in 2004 on GBA... don't judge it against the engines that ran KH1/2 @_@) whereas Re:Coded somehow took a big step backwards from Days.

In comparsion, Re: Coded had MORE 3D scenes than 358/2 Days,
and the only thing I hate is the difficulty of the game,
but I pretty much enjoyed everything else.

._. Because I don't like freeloading and I like to support the developers I like. Also, a lot of countries don't have unlimited bandwidth and I know for me, it's almost cheaper sometimes to import a game all the way from Japan than it is to spend the bandwidth downloading it. But piracy isn't really a discussion for this thread.

OK, this is the last reply to piracy problems...

Anyways, I think freeloading is awesome because
Hong Kong has unlimited bandwidth - as long as you pay
the bill for the internet per month, (Around 15 US Dollars) you
can download EVERYTHING you want. Why I dislike buying games,
is because my parents told me, 'Money shouldn't be
wasted on unnecessary objects, for examples, video games.' (But not game consoles)
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I do lack info.I just started playing myself.....well a cuple of years ago I tried to play KHI and got stuck in Tarazan's world.Sorry for my stupidness.Well looks like I'ma be up all night watching KH walkthrews....at least now Ik what 2 do with my friday night if my couson (shes a KH fan 2 her name is Fearless love on here) doesn't come
 
I always get confused in Deep Jungle. I think you pretty much just go back and forth repeatedly until the world ends, though. :|
Lightning said:
I played 358/2 Days... It was the best NDS game ever because
of the basic elements of a KH game had. Sure, it had fewer voices
than most KH games, but AT LEAST it had voices.
CoM lacked the following, so a remake was made to
entertain the fans. (At least, it's what I believe.)

Same in the plot and gameplay, but very different when it comes
to determine which game was better. Everything's better when you get
to listen to the voice actors and get to play with better graphics. Remakes are made to be better than its original version. At least, that's what I believe.
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I get that the remake is better (in most respects, anyway) but... that doesn't discredit the original from being a good game. o_O It was made in 2004 on Gameboy Advance. It just couldn't have the same graphics--the GBA can't do it. And to be fair, the beginning scene is 3D. I mean, it's one thing to say it's a bad game overall (both it and its remake) and if I must, I'll concede that in comparison to every current game it's not that great in looks but... just being old doesn't invalidate it as a good game or as part of the series.
 
Same in the plot and gameplay, but very different when it comes
to determine which game was better. Everything's better when you get
to listen to the voice actors and get to play with better graphics. Remakes are made to be better than its original version. At least, that's what I believe.
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Ehh, I have to disagree.
They worked on the original COM from scratch.
Re:COM was somewhat of a Cut and paste job. Sure they added more, but still, in a way...
Not to mention they made the Disney worlds seem alot less important. :I
 
~Ryukaa said:
Ehh, I have to disagree.
They worked on the original COM from scratch.
Re:COM was somewhat of a Cut and paste job. Sure they added more, but still, in a way...
Not to mention they made the Disney worlds seem alot less important. :I
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You can't cut and paste voices. The 3D scenes are actually very well made (Like regular KH games),
how could that be a cut and paste as well?

KH 1 is older than KH CoM but it was better because KH 1 was better with the 3D stuff...

CoM shouldn't even be created, in my opinion. SE should make KH games only
on consoles like 3DS, DS, PSP and PS2.

Also Lightning, I think that you misunderstood me. I never said that old games sucked,
look at FF 7, 8 and 9. Yes, they ARE old, but they're awesome.

Same as KH 1, did I ever said that KH 1 is made 2001 and because of that, it sucked?
No.

I'm talkin' about the consoles, not the year it was made.

Well, CoM was made on a crappy console (A lot of games in GBA suck), so
the game sucked. Also, I'm not judging the game from the outside,
I'm judging it from both sides (Outside, Inside).

I played it, and guess what? It sucked. It was dull and boring without 3D and voices.
I never actually had the patience to finish the whole game so I waited
for the remake instead.

And guess what? The remake was much better!
 
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You can't cut and paste voices.
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That's not what I was getting at.

Well, CoM was made on a crappy console (A lot of games in GBA suck), so
the game sucked.
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Golden Sun 1 & 2 were awesome,
So were the Pokemon games.
The Mario remakes were damn badass.
Mario Tennis: Power Tour is one of my favourite games.
The Megaman Zero games were Legendary.
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was a major part of my childhood.
Advance Wars and Fire Emblem were also quite brilliant.
The Dragon Ball Action RPGs(Legacy of Goku 1&2, Buu's Fury) were fun and memorable.
So were the Yu-Gi-Oh games.
I rest my case.
 
~Ryukaa said:
That's not what I was getting at.


Golden Sun 1 & 2 were awesome,
So were the Pokemon games.
The Mario remakes were damn badass.
Mario Tennis: Power Tour is one of my favourite games.
The Megaman Zero games were Legendary.
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance was a major part of my childhood.
Advance Wars and Fire Emblem were also quite brilliant.
The Dragon Ball Action RPGs(Legacy of Goku 1&2, Buu's Fury) were fun and memorable.
So were the Yu-Gi-Oh games.
I rest my case.
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I said a lot of them suck, but I didn't say the games above sucked.
Not a lot of games in GBA were fun though.

I shared a lot of memories you've said, too. Not all of them, but lot of them.
 
Sarcastic Prince said:
I said a lot of them suck, but I didn't say the games above sucked.
Not a lot of games in GBA were fun though.

I shared a lot of memories you've said, too. Not all of them, but lot of them.
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True basis of a game is. as long as you have fun.

there is a lot of flaws you have in your statement with voice acting, and 3D.

the graphics doesnt make the game fun, or doesnt just make the game.

Voice acting can suck very badly. KHRe:CoM did suck at the voice acting for example. THE MOUTH DIDNT FIT THE VOICES D:<

Look at Mario you dont need a 3d Mario game to call it a classic.

games back in the day were amazing. I think they are more fun then games these days.

3D graphics and voice acting doesnt make the game. Just to let you know that.

and Original >>>>>>>>>> Remakes tbh.
 
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