Serious U.S. 2024 Election & Results thread

Well... the only good thing about Trump winning is that he shouldn't be able to run for presidency again after this presidency ends again.
It's a disappointing result imo.
Yeah this is the one reprieve.
But this is going to affect everyone, not just US citizens. Canada is poised to vote in our own Trump next year. Conservatism, racism, and far right politics are at an all time high these days.

I'm scared because I'm sick and need social services and healthcare to live.
 
That silver lining's not really there. Chances are Trump will try to do something to let himself remain in power until he dies, so 2028 isn't necessarily the limit of his time in power. Even once he's gone, any potential replacement for him will not really be any different, the GOP is full of fascist monsters to pick from.
 
That silver lining's not really there. Chances are Trump will try to do something to let himself remain in power until he dies, so 2028 isn't necessarily the limit of his time in power. Even once he's gone, any potential replacement for him will not really be any different, the GOP is full of fascist monsters to pick from.
Trump is the oldest person to ever be elected president, and he's not in good health for his age. I don't expect him to survive his term. Of course, that leaves us with an also-nightmarish Vance administration.
 
Trump is the oldest person to ever be elected president, and he's not in good health for his age. I don't expect him to survive his term. Of course, that leaves us with an also-nightmarish Vance administration.
I'm not talking about just the next 4 years
 
Figure I'll pose a question to everyone: why do you think that Harris and the Democrats lost?
You could run the best campaign in the world, and your opponent the worst campaign in the world, and it's meaningless if the people who matter refuse to listen. A huge chunk of America listens only to Fox News, right-wing talk radio, or whatever misinformation their social media algorithms dredge up. Still more paid no attention to policy or debates or campaigns at all, and voted Trump because groceries were cheaper under his administration than Biden's, completely unaware that Trump's proposed tariffs would dramatically increase inflation.

In short, Harris and the Democrats lost because the median American is now an uneducated gullible moron with no media literacy skills whatsoever. Democracy requires an educated populace to function, and we no longer have that in the US. Our only hope, at this point, is to break up the United States, so the West Coast and the Northeast don't get dragged down by this sinking ship.
 
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Figure I'll pose a question to everyone: why do you think that Harris and the Democrats lost?
People are more drawn in by the reactionary politics that Trump uses, sadly.
I live in Canada, and it's working here. The conservatives say "Trudeau does this and we don't" and people are frothing at the mouth. Also the average Canadian is an extremely racist, borderline illiterate fool.
 
Well... the only good thing about Trump winning is that he shouldn't be able to run for presidency again after this presidency ends again.
It's a disappointing result imo.

Seconded.
I feel like crap because I couldn't vote. I just moved to a new state and got re-registered and my mail-in ballot never showed (I don't drive, it would be convenient if we could vote online as we could last time because it was covid and that's how I did it) but at the same time, would it have made a difference?

It's sickening that I find this outcome believable.

As stated, I am attempting to focus on the fact that Trump getting this victory should mean he can never run again as this will be his second term. He shouldn't have been allowed to run now but it is what it is.
 
You could run the best campaign in the world, and your opponent the worst campaign in the world, and it's meaningless if the people who matter refuse to listen. A huge chunk of America listens only to Fox News, right-wing talk radio, or whatever misinformation their social media algorithms dredge up. Still more paid no attention to policy or debates or campaigns at all, and voted Trump because groceries were cheaper under his administration than Biden's, completely unaware that Trump's proposed tariffs would dramatically increase inflation.

In short, Harris and the Democrats lost because the median American is now an uneducated gullible moron with no media literacy skills whatsoever. Democracy requires an educated populace to function, and we no longer have that in the US. Our only hope, at this point, is to break up the United States, so the West Coast and the Northeast don't get dragged down by this sinking ship.
I disagree with the notion that the median American is only now an uneducated gullible moron. As Isaac Asimov observed, "there is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge". Anti-intellectualism is deeply rooted in American culture; and Trump effectively harassed the hatred of "elites" (not unfathomably wealthy people like himself of course, mainly random college administrators and students who had the nerve to imply American racism / sexism didn't just magically disappear into thin air on July 2nd, 1964) and used the classic playbook authoritarians everywhere fall back on. Demonizing minorities (LGBTQ people and immigrants especially) and drumming up fear so people become scared enough to think a "strongman" is needed to "fix" things.

I've been looking into immigrating since the election, but as some other commenters have mentioned; many other developed countries are experiencing their own rightward shifts led by similar types. And I want to pursue medicine while I haven't even started college yet, so I'm looking at like ~10-15 years before I could actually get on a plane and move (I'm too broke to really consider studying abroad). I'm 10000% getting out of Alabama though, staying here during a Trump administration sounds like a recipe for trouble (not that it's some huge prize anyway, the main attraction for me is UAB being rather good for medicine and in a tolerable area) and I don't want to be here when the Trump brownshirts start shaking people down to check their papers or whatever. Been considering DC or California, but I'll have to see how my applications turn out.
 
The Democrats didn't really do much of a good job, either, with their campaign. They should have removed Biden sooner and actually focused on a campaign "for the people" instead of "against Trump". They also did what any other average conservative party around the world is doing: clinging to the status quo and instead of promising actual changes just copy some of the right wind talking points to fish for right wing votes. If you do that those voters will just aks themselves "why should I vote for them if I could vote for those who came up with the idea?"

And of course, after their loss, instead of introspection they just deflected the blame onto minorities. Surely, those will now totally be compelled to vote Dems the next time! /s

Honestly, I know people in the US tend to hate those who don't vote because they're tired of constantly having to vote just to keep someone out of office, instead of voting someone into office. But I can understand that sentiment. Like, how many more lanes, bro?
 
I heard that Trump wants to move the Department of Education. Does that mean there will be no more public schools?
 
I heard that Trump wants to move the Department of Education. Does that mean there will be no more public schools?
They would still exist, but there would be no federal oversight or regulation of public schools, leaving things entirely in the hands of state and local governments. The DoE also handles some financial matters like student loan debt and some degree of funding to public schools.
 
Figure I'll pose a question to everyone: why do you think that Harris and the Democrats lost?

I don't think this can be narrowed down to any main factor.

Although I will say that it's frustrating to watch the Democratic party learn nothing about anti trump rhetoric. Trump creates a victimized image to his following based on these media attacks. (And quite a bit of his following already votes for him simply to 'stick it to the liberals').

Harris had it correct in the debate. Stop the personal attacks and let him self implode. He's not an educated politician. I actually saw MAGA supporters question the man they were supporting after that.

Then it's back to the anti trump campaign, and it's just not working.
 
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Yeah this is the one reprieve.
But this is going to affect everyone, not just US citizens. Canada is poised to vote in our own Trump next year. Conservatism, racism, and far right politics are at an all time high these days.

I'm scared because I'm sick and need social services and healthcare to live.
Yeah, that's another concern I have. I live out west and there's A LOT of resentment towards Trudeau pretty much everywhere that isn't a major city, and it's really shown ever since the first Trump presidency, so I'm incredibly concerned for thet next few years. However, due to our election system and how it works, as long as the east doesn't mostly vote for him, then we should be safe, but there's definitely a lot of lost confidence in the Liberal party, so I really, really, really hope and pray that the NDP can step it up big time to prevent a big mistake from being made, otherwise I'll have lots of reasons to worry.

Considering we share a border with the US, whatever happens there will absolutely affect what happens here - not a lot of people realize this!
 
They would still exist, but there would be no federal oversight or regulation of public schools, leaving things entirely in the hands of state and local governments. The DoE also handles some financial matters like student loan debt and some degree of funding to public schools.
That's actually how it's done here. Things like education and healthcare are handled by the provinces. That's why each province has its own health card. I'm not sure if there's federal standards but there are federal student loans.

@Incineroar I hate to say it, but Nova Scotians aren't looking good.
 
That's actually how it's done here. Things like education and healthcare are handled by the provinces. That's why each province has its own health card. I'm not sure if there's federal standards but there are federal student loans.

@Incineroar I hate to say it, but Nova Scotians aren't looking good.
Ontario usually seems to have the most weight during the election alongside Quebec, but I guess time will tell.
 
Figure I'll pose a question to everyone: why do you think that Harris and the Democrats lost?

A multitude of factors. A large part of it comes down to the cult Trump has built around himself. MAGA people think he's their new messiah or something, buy into whatever bullshit he says and don't even try to be informed. That's why you've got a bunch of people regretting their choices now they've learned how tariffs actually work. So, a lack of social and political education, fuelled by Elon's Twitter propaganda machine and Fox news. That's a massive factor. Corporate donorship almost certainly helped here too.

Of course, then there's also just that a lot of the US (and everywhere) is still a lot more sexist, racist and otherwise bigoted place than some want to think. Trump's violent, hateful rhetoric resonates with a lot of people because they see it as giving them a pass to say and do in public what they always have behind closed doors, with a degree of impunity they couldn't before. I think, we need to be honest and admit that Harris could have run the world's greatest campaign and she would have been fighting an up-hill battle just because of how she was born.

Of course, switching to Harris over Biden at - effectively - the last minute probably didn't help. But I really don't think it was as big of an impact as people seem to believe. As far as I can tell, Harris was just as popular if not more so than Biden. Her platform wasn't that different from what Biden won on and she has a lot more personality and a much more leader-like appearance.

I think there is something more to be said that "I'm not Trump" being the major selling point of her campaign helped Trump's side play the victim card to fire up his cult. However, let's be real, in an even moderately well-educated society, "I'm not Trump" should have been enough for a landslide win. But you ended up with people who were both-sidsing you into oblivion, voting third party or not at all out of spite because Harris wasn't progressive enough (these are effectively the same thing), uneducated people falling for Trump's "I'm a great businessman, I'll make everything cheap and you rich" bullshit and people who don't care about any of that but just saw a Trump presidency as an excuse to be their worst selves and get away with it. Essentially, a perfect storm of stupidity, spite and misinformation.
 
The result was pretty disappointing, and I think that it's not too great that many Countries are moving right. I think that what's worse is the fact that US elections are usually won by few points, showing that the Country is divided in half, which isn't good at all imo. Also, the new government is already making some very questionable choices, I just hope it doesn't get much worse.
 
so to answer my own question

I agree with a lot of what has been said so far and that it's not strictly one thing. Some of it is America's predisposition for right-wing bullshit, which is by design, as our education system is relatively poor and (right-wing) propaganda/disinformation has always been a part of the U.S. I don't think that this particular loss can be solely attributed to that though since that's been a factor in basically every American election ever.
Some of it is the economy. Stuff like "he's a convicted criminal!" and "he's a fascist who's going to destroy democracy!" tends to be less motivating than it should be when immediate basic survival needs are under threat. Every other media company has for the past two years been like "Bidenomics is great! The U.S. economy hasn't been this good in ages!", but the thing with the economy is that many of the metrics used to measure its health is more specifically how it's doing for the wealthy and not so much everyone else. Regardless of whether it is good or not, if people don't feel like it is, you need to speak to that instead of just telling them they're wrong. Not that anyone should've ever thought that a guy who, for example, bankrupted multiple of his own casinos is or ever was good at business and economics, but when you're repeatedly told that you must pick one of these two options and that voting for anything else (3rd party votes didn't change the outcome of the presidential race anyway) and/or not voting at all makes you a terrible person and you're not happy with how the one of those two choices is running things currently, guess what people tend to do.
A bit of it was what Zeo said. Not that the Dems should've never mentioned how horrible Trump is and always has been, but perhaps making it a primary point of their campaign wasn't completely necessary. Trump's not an unknown at this point, everyone's had at least 8 years to see what he's like, it's kind of preaching to the choir while simultaneously fueling the persecution complex these people have had for eons. Time and energy could've been spent on other things maybe.

I think what gets to the heart of the matter more though is that both Biden and Harris were particularly bad picks for 2024 and was a repetition of a mistake made apparent over the last 16-20 years of American elections. You go back to 2008 and there was a lot of enthusiasm for Obama's candidacy. People were (probably) tired of 8 years of Bush Jr.'s presidency and his time in the Oval Office capped off with that big '08 recession. The idea of a Black person finally having a real and likely shot of getting one of the highest government positions in the country filled people with hope that the U.S. was about to greatly change, and for the better. Obama's presidency however ended being business as usual, so when you get to 2016 there was very much the sentiment that people were fed up with years of an establishment that didn't feel like it was helping the American people and most politicians were too busy playing political games with each other. And of all people to get for the Democratic candidate we got....Hillary Clinton. Obviously Trump only got his 1st term because of the electoral college and it'd be best if we finally got rid of that inherently anti-democratic system, but to win the electoral college you still have to, y'know, win the popular vote in enough states. 4 years ago we saw Trump lose re-election because he became the new status quo and people had enough of his presidency for the time being plus were not happy with how covid-19 was going, so people were willing to ditch him, even for someone as also hyper-establishment as Clinton is in Joe Biden. Over the past 4 years though it's not exactly been a secret that Biden hasn't been super-well liked as President, his approval ratings haven't been great in quite some time. Then you had that terrible debate performance that, after much pushing, finally got him to step down. But then we got Harris as his replacement, who made it clear that she was basically just going to be Biden minus the dementia. Now would've been a good time for Biden to pick Sanders or just literally anyone who is not one of the gazillion establishment Dem carbon copies to be the nominee, especially because the DNC was forced to go with whoever he picked, there was not enough time to re-do the whole primary process. On a state level scale, this is a similar sort of mistake the Republicans made with the governorship here in New Jersey years ago. When Chris Christie left office, he was not well-liked and his approval rating was really low, like, one of the worst in state history kind of low. The GOP selected his Lt. Governor as their candidate, who then proceeded to lose badly, as she could not distance herself from her former boss enough--people really didn't want Christie 2.0. And while Murphy won easily that time, his re-election was not so much.

Another mistake the Harris campaign made was trying to run to the right in hopes that she could court "moderate" Republicans that weren't going to vote for her anyway. This is something Clinton tried in 2016 and it didn't work out for her either.

Basically, if your party is currently in power but people are expressing dissatisfaction with it, don't run with more of the same, have someone different be your nominee instead. I think that on some level, Americans have collectively for a long time been unhappy with the status quo in the USA, and you kind of see this in the odd case of how a lot of people who voted for AOC also voted for Donald Trump. Two very different sorts of people, but what was the common thread in the responses AOC got when she asked why was basically "you're both outsider/not establishment politicians who are offering real change". Not that a wealthy orange white man actually qualifies as an outsider or anti-establishment (the United States was made for rich white dudes by rich white dudes), but people are miserable enough under how things have been for....years?decades?centuries? that they'll go for literally anything different, even if it's motherfucking fascism.

so anyway apologies for the length and the possible rambling, semi-incoherent nature of this post, I've never really been that articulate
 
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