There was no narrative involved though, is the problem. I honestly don't know where this "they called everyone racist!!! tahts why he wno!!!" thing comes from, because it wasn't a mainstream thing. Calling Trump bigoted in all the ways he is, was very much mainstream but calling everyone who votes for him that wasn't.
Hillary did it. Basket of deplorables, remember?
There was and is a lot of "A vote for Trump is a vote for racism/sexism/xenophobia/homophobia" because it is, and there's no real way to deny that.
It's really hard to have a conversation with you sometimes.
Regardless of if people are racist or not, they're voting for the racist candidate who wants to implement racist policies. "I'm not racist/homophobic/xenophobic! I don't like his bigoted policies!" is an incredibly poor argument because regardless of if you like them or not you're still voting for them, still supporting them with the vote you're using.
In the current situation a lot of people can justify that within themselves.
I think pushing the narrative that Trump supporters voted for Trump because... Trump supporters were called racist, or homophobic? Is fairly disingenuous and not really reflective of the issues/aspects that actually allowed Trump to win
That's not an argument, that's a statement.
Then, perhaps maybe, don't vote for racism and then complain about it (I know you didn't in this circumstance). Racism did win, because Trump was the racist candidate wanting to do racist things. I think, if you're afraid of people knowing what you think on social issues like this, generally you should re-think why you do think the way you do?
I'm afraid of sharing my thoughts on those issues because of the exact issues you think don't exist. We're on completely different pages on
why I don't want to talk politics with my friends. To even suggest that supporting Trump does not carry such unwarranted baggage is completely out of touch with reality.
To be very clear, I'm not witholding my opinion from them because I don't want them to give me a reasoned argument against trump. I'm witholding my opinion from them because in some cases
we may not even be friends anymore.
Protesting is part of our free speech rights. The fact that a few bad eggs have planted themselves in the middle of these protests to make them look bad does not invalidate the rights of the people protesting, nor does the media and/or police's slandering calls of "riots" change that fact.
RIOTS, Esper. I didn't say
PROTESTS, I said
RIOTS.
Riots are not okay and they are not free speech.
Personally, I don't think the protests will accomplish much. I'm focused on getting through the next four years stronger than before and while protesting will feel good, there are other productive things that I think could be done instead. I won't tell them to stop because it's their right to protest and have their voices heard.
I'm not entirely concerned with what the protests will do because I didn't mention them.
So don't call it "anti-democracy" please.
Protesting and rioting over the result of a democratic election is 100% anti-democracy. Protesting something means you want it to be changed. This is entirely sequitur. If you protest the result, you are protesting with the goal of somehow changing it. You won't be able to, but that doesn't change the fact you openly want to subvert
democracy.
I knew someone else had to see the hypocrisy/irony (for once unsure of which to use) in calling protests "anti-democratic"
Show me who called protests anti-democratic. I'll wait here all day for you.
That is the most baseless and, without being rude, dumb rhetoric I've ever seen.
Oh! Well, since you said 'without being rude', I guess this post is already entirely reasonable and not at all rude.
It's not btw, it's actually pretty rude.
If you honestly let people telling other people not to be awful to people made you vote for someone who didn't say those things then you're a thin skinned child and shouldn't of been allowed to vote in the first place.
This sentence isn't coherent, so pardon me if I misunderstand a little.
I'm not exactly sure where 'people telling other people not to be awful to people' came from. I don't know what exactly it has to do with this. I'm guessing you're trying to say that the people calling Trump supporters racist, sexist xenophobic bigots are actually justified in that. In which case... You're demonstrably wrong because not all Trump supporters are racist, sexist xenophobic bigots.
You're making such massive assumptions here. I think I need to clear up one main thing: I'm not American. I didn't even have a vote, seriously man.
And I have no idea what gave you the impression that the serious anti-Trump atmosphere around me is what made me prefer him over the opposition. The serious anti-Trump atmosphere is why I don't like talking about politics with the people around me - I'm immediately lumped in with racists, sexists, xenophobes, homophobes, you name it and I'll be one of them before you know it.
So it's not that I'm a thin-skinned child, it's that you're attacking a strawman and making one of the most... *ahem* 'baseless and, without being rude, dumb' statements I've ever heard. Stop making assumptions about me. Saying that the anti-Trump atmosphere has made me uncomfortable talking politics is one of the most reasonable things I've ever said in my entire damn life and I think a lot of people can probably relate to it - politics is a touchy subject to begin with.
Trump won for a myriad of reasons including, but certainly not limited to, globalization, government misspending, a perceived anti establishment choice, an economic plan that, on the surface puts workers first, numerous promises to reinvest in American industry, an isolationist stance on war, peace (no matter how loose) with the Russians, acknowledgement of the fears of the working class and a clean political record. Trump didn't win because some alt right kids online were sick of being called out for saying awful things about the victims of police brutality or bathroom designations.
Bloody hell. I'm not saying that there was only one reason why Trump won, I'm saying there was one main reason, and that main reason was, in my eyes, the social climate. With all of the outrageous things the man has said, the only thing that I can possibly imagine giving him a win is the social climate that people are sick of, where everything can offend someone and the slightest mistep makes you a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobe and so on. That's why Trump is popular - he doesn't care about being politically correct. That is precisely why people feel he is in touch with them, rather than just being another snobby politician.