Hillary did it. Basket of deplorables, remember?
You mean the one single thing in which she was specifically targeting groups like the KKK rather than his entire voter base, but when people started complaining that she did call them all that, despite it not being true, she apologised for it coming off as going after all his voters? That thing?
Yeah what a horribly negative campaign from hillary there, sure is really attacking anyone who likes her opponent.
It's really hard to have a conversation with you sometimes.
We're not having a conversation, but alright thanks for that scathing in-depth critique of my point, it's
certainly made me rethink my stance
In the current situation a lot of people can justify that within themselves.
If someone can justify to them self why voting for the racist candidate with racist policies is not supporting racism, or racist in itself I think that speaks a lot for their own moral system
That's not an argument, that's a statement.
No... it's not? I'm telling you it's more complex than "teh SJWs!!!" and saying that is said """SJW""" is indigenous and not reflective of the issues actually involved in Trump's rise
I'm afraid of sharing my thoughts on those issues because of the exact issues you think don't exist. We're on completely different pages on why I don't want to talk politics with my friends. To even suggest that supporting Trump does not carry such unwarranted baggage is completely out of touch with reality.
To be very clear, I'm not witholding my opinion from them because I don't want them to give me a reasoned argument against trump. I'm witholding my opinion from them because in some cases we may not even be friends anymore.
I'm not suggesting that it comes with baggage, just that maybe you should take a step back and look at
why it does, and why your friends could have such an extreme reaction, and why you'd put your support behind the candidate like that.
Take, for example, if said friend is LGBT in some fashion and would be angry because they're genuinely fearful of what a Trump presidency brings, can you really call that baggage "unwarrented"? If your support is behind the candidate that could legitimately hurt your friends, or family, fear that they might not be happy about that isn't.... wrong, or indicative of ""how the liberals have made the world"".
It's the same as if you were bigoted in some way and felt like that was "unwarranted baggage" you had to hide from your friends because knowing that might make them not want to be around you
RIOTS, Esper. I didn't say PROTESTS, I said RIOTS.
Riots are not okay and they are not free speech.
I'm not entirely concerned with what the protests will do because I didn't mention them.
And what indicates if something is a riot or a protest? If some property is damaged by someone during an otherwise peaceful protest, does it become a riot? Is it only a riot if you don't agree with what they're protesting?
Protesting and rioting over the result of a democratic election is 100% anti-democracy. Protesting something means you want it to be changed. This is entirely sequitur. If you protest the result, you are protesting with the goal of somehow changing it. You won't be able to, but that doesn't change the fact you openly want to subvert democracy.
It's not, it's exercising your democratic right to protest. The majority of people voted for Clinton, yet Trump won, and people are angry and protesting the system and the decision.
People are protesting the fear and violence incited by Trump and his followers, and the biogtry only empowered by Trump's victory. A man who has put a white nationalist into his cabinet.
Show me who called protests anti-democratic. I'll wait here all day for you.
Protesting and rioting over the result of a democratic election is 100% anti-democracy.
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Also the president elect himself
http://www.theverge.com/2016/11/11/13596932/trump-protestors-electoral-college-tweets
Oh! Well, since you said 'without being rude', I guess this post is already entirely reasonable and not at all rude.
It's not btw, it's actually pretty rude.
I'm not exactly sure where 'people telling other people not to be awful to people' came from. I don't know what exactly it has to do with this. I'm guessing you're trying to say that the people calling Trump supporters racist, sexist xenophobic bigots are actually justified in that. In which case... You're demonstrably wrong because not all Trump supporters are racist, sexist xenophobic bigots.
But again, they all supported a candidate and policies bigoted in all those ways. Anyway, the original point from you was that it was a culture of "calling people stuff" that Trump's rise was caused by, now you've sidestepped and it's entirely the fault of calling Trump supporters X (Which is just a strawman, again)
Bloody hell. I'm not saying that there was only one reason why Trump won, I'm saying there was one main reason, and that main reason was, in my eyes, the social climate. With all of the outrageous things the man has said, the only thing that I can possibly imagine giving him a win is the social climate that people are sick of, where everything can offend someone and the slightest mistep makes you a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobe and so on. That's why Trump is popular - he doesn't care about being politically correct. That is precisely why people feel he is in touch with them, rather than just being another snobby politician.
Ah yes, slightest missteps like... constant streams of misogynist, xenophobic ect statements and rhetoric. "Political correctness" is a garbage concept invented by people to try and justify their own awful opinions. By putting up a strawman and saying "Oh man PC police make
everything X-ist" it's a way of pretending people's personal X-ism means less or is more of an exaggeration. Ignoring that most, if not all, arguments to that calibre are literally just rallying against a made up strawman, the idea Trump won the election because he was openly racist is... not at all true, as I'd said earlier.
To claim that was a big reason for his popularity just isn't right, when that almost entierly falls upon his lies and rhetoric, and the "i'll say whatever they want to hear" mentality he had over the entire election