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Heracross @ Heracronite
Ability: Guts
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
- Earthquake

Your best option is a 4HKO

252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 85-100 (27.3 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

Meanwhile Close Combat is a 2HKO at full health.

252+ Atk Mega Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Conkeldurr: 292-345 (83.1 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Staraptor @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Reckless
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
-Brave Bird
-Close Combat
-Double-Edge
-U-turn

Needless to say, brave bird outspeeds and OHKOs.
 
Staraptor is not a counter to M-Heracross, it is a check. It is flat out OHKO'd by both Close Combat and Rock Blast on the switch in. Heck, Pin Missile even does a number to it.

But anywho

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Doublade @ Eviolite
Ability: No Guard
EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Sacred Sword
- Gyro Ball

252 Atk Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Doublade: 40-48 (12.5 - 15%) -- possible 7HKO

0 Atk Doublade Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 234-276 (75.2 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That's actually sort of funny.
 
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Spiritomb @ Leftovers
Infiltrator ability
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold nature
- Calm Mind
- Dark Pulse
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

Gaze upon the hypnotic enigma that is Spiritomb's face. Doublade does pitiful damage against tomb, whilst Spiritomb can just **** on Doublade's face. Doublade's team members will be blaming him (it?) for letting Spiritomb set up 6 Calm Minds.
 
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Azumarill @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 164 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Play Rough
- Knock Off
- Waterfall

+6 0 SpA Spiritomb Dark Pulse vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 192-227 (52.8 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Spiritomb: 366-432 (120.3 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

You were saying
 
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-Mega Venusaur w/Venusarite
Nature: Modest
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 232 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Sp.Defense, 20 Speed
Moves: Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Hidden Power Ground, Synthesis

Resists Azu's STABs, and Knock Off is a 3HKO at best:

252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Knock Off vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 108-128 (30 - 35.6%) -- 33.1% chance to 3HKO

Sludge Bomb OHKOs, and Giga Drain rips off most of its HP:
252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 312-368 (85.9 - 101.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 372-440 (102.4 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Rock Tomb

Focus Sash will survive the BB if it miraculously dosen't kill, but Bullet Seed boosted by Technician should be more than enough to OHKO. I'm pretty sure that Breloom outspeeds with max speed and Jolly too, but I don't memorize Speed Tiers, so don't quote me on anything. ;)
 
Breloom @ Focus Sash
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Rock Tomb

Focus Sash will survive the BB if it miraculously dosen't kill, but Bullet Seed boosted by Technician should be more than enough to OHKO. I'm pretty sure that Breloom outspeeds with max speed and Jolly too, but I don't memorize Speed Tiers, so don't quote me on anything. ;)

That doesnt counter skarm lol. Bullet Seed is 4x resisted and Spore isnt going to keep it asleep for long enough for Mach Punch to kill.

252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 58-69 (17.3 - 20.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 27-30 (8 - 8.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever

252 Atk Technician Breloom Rock Tomb vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 57-68 (17 - 20.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery


Anyway.


Exeggutor @ Life Orb
EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Rash Nature
- Hidden Power Fire
- Leaf Storm
- Psyshock
- Low Kick

Takes basically nothing from anything loom can do and crushes it back.
 
i wanna say talonflame as it easily beats eggy in 1v1 or actually any situation, it dies if it switches into psysh because of brave bird recoil but can just as easily ohko with u-turn


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Talonflame @ Choice Band
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Flare Blitz
- U-turn
- Me First

252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 540-636 (163.1 - 192.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 540-636 (163.1 - 192.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 420-496 (126.8 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


eggy is still dangerous with rocks up
252+ SpA Life Orb Exeggutor Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 239-282 (80.4 - 94.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

but the rules said 1v1 so...
 
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Diancie @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Diamond Storm
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power Fire

How does it feel to be countered by a sample set

The bird can't do anything to it and Diamond Storm mauls it.
 
Nidoking @ Life Orb
Trait: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature

- Earthquake
- Sucker Punch
- Rock Slide
- Poison Jab

Nidoking resists both Diamond Storm and Moonblast, takes about 30% from HP Fire, and 2HKO in return with EQ.

P.S. Shut up about special variants.
 
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-Krookodile w/Life Orb
Nature: Jolly
Ability: Moxie
EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
Moves: Earthquake, Knock Off, Stone Edge, Pursuit

Can take an Earthquake:
252+ Atk Life Orb Nidoking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 235-278 (70.9 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Then outspeeds and delivers its own for the KO:
252 Atk Life Orb Krookodile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 491-580 (162 - 191.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
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Heracross @ Heracronite
Ability: Guts
EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Pin Missile
- Rock Blast
- Earthquake

This is my favorite mega I swear

252 Atk Life Orb Krookodile Stone Edge vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 117-139 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252+ Atk Mega Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 674-794 (203.6 - 239.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 700-840 (211.4 - 253.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 200 Spe
Impish Nature
- Roost
- Fling
- Earthquake
- Acrobatics

Rock Blast is a 3HKO allowing Gliscor to come in, take the hit and get Poison Heal activated. The next turn it uses Fling to poison M-Hera and get rid of its item allowing Acrobatics to 1HKO on the next turn. Or you could just Toxic stall it.
 
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Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Nature: Bold
-Calm Mind
-Scald
-Rest
-Sleep Talk

eq? lol.
acrobatics? lol.
toxic? lol.
set up? yes.

win.
 
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Cacturne@Focus Sash
252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 def
Adamant Nature
Trait: Water Absorb
- Swords Dance
- Focus Punch
- Seed Bomb
- Sucker Punch

No weaks

Focus Punch is illegal on Water Absorb Cacturne, FYI. Focus Punch is a Gen IV TM that got replaced by Hone Claws in Gen V onward, while Water Absorb is a Hidden Abiilty in Gen V onward; those never existed in Gens III and IV.

Anyway:

Togekiss:
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-Nasty Plot
-Dazzling Gleam
-Air Slash
-Roost
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace

Resists everything Cacturne does, sets up and wrecks with either STAB.
 
Focus Punch is illegal on Water Absorb Cacturne, FYI. Focus Punch is a Gen IV TM that got replaced by Hone Claws in Gen V onward, while Water Absorb is a Hidden Abiilty in Gen V onward; those never existed in Gens III and IV.

Anyway:

Togekiss:
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-Nasty Plot
-Dazzling Gleam
-Air Slash
-Roost
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Serene Grace

Resists everything Cacturne does, sets up and wrecks with either STAB.

Togekiss Counter:
Regice
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-Amnesia
-Ice Beam
-Rest
-Rock Polish
Nature: Calm
EVs: 252 Sp.A 252 Sp.D
Item: Icicle Plate


Counter This:
Gigalith
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-Curse
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Superpower
Nature: Adamant
EV: 252 Attack, 200 HP, 58 Speed
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Sturdy
 
You're technically only supposed to post one Pokemon, so because I don't want to clutter to thread, I'll just counter the Regice.

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Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 12 SpD / 244 Spe
Timid Nature
- Substitute
- Toxic
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power

This set laughs at whatever Ice Beam it tries to throw at it, not to mention once you set up a Sub it can literally not touch you at all. It dosen't matter if you outspeed, since none of your moves even do much to me. Toxic will stall you out if you try to stall with Amnesia, and Fire Blast is there for the raw power it brings. 120 Super Effective STAB is nothing to laugh about.
 
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