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    Heracross @ Heracronite
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Pin Missile
    - Rock Blast
    - Earthquake

    Your best option is a 4HKO

    252+ Atk Conkeldurr Ice Punch vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 85-100 (27.3 - 32.1%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

    Meanwhile Close Combat is a 2HKO at full health.

    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Conkeldurr: 292-345 (83.1 - 98.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
     

    pokecole

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  • Staraptor @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Reckless
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 HP
    Adamant Nature
    -Brave Bird
    -Close Combat
    -Double-Edge
    -U-turn

    Needless to say, brave bird outspeeds and OHKOs.
     

    Detox

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    Staraptor is not a counter to M-Heracross, it is a check. It is flat out OHKO'd by both Close Combat and Rock Blast on the switch in. Heck, Pin Missile even does a number to it.

    But anywho

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    Doublade @ Eviolite
    Ability: No Guard
    EVs: 240 HP / 252 Def / 16 SpD
    Relaxed Nature
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk
    - Sacred Sword
    - Gyro Ball

    252 Atk Reckless Staraptor Brave Bird vs. 240 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Doublade: 40-48 (12.5 - 15%) -- possible 7HKO

    0 Atk Doublade Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Staraptor: 234-276 (75.2 - 88.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    That's actually sort of funny.
     

    Zeffy

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    Spiritomb @ Leftovers
    Infiltrator ability
    252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Bold nature
    - Calm Mind
    - Dark Pulse
    - Rest
    - Sleep Talk

    Gaze upon the hypnotic enigma that is Spiritomb's face. Doublade does pitiful damage against tomb, whilst Spiritomb can just **** on Doublade's face. Doublade's team members will be blaming him (it?) for letting Spiritomb set up 6 Calm Minds.
     

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    Azumarill @ Choice Band
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 88 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 164 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Aqua Jet
    - Play Rough
    - Knock Off
    - Waterfall

    +6 0 SpA Spiritomb Dark Pulse vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 192-227 (52.8 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Spiritomb: 366-432 (120.3 - 142.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    You were saying
     

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    -Mega Venusaur w/Venusarite
    Nature: Modest
    Ability: Thick Fat
    EVs: 232 HP, 252 Sp.Attack, 4 Sp.Defense, 20 Speed
    Moves: Giga Drain, Sludge Bomb, Hidden Power Ground, Synthesis

    Resists Azu's STABs, and Knock Off is a 3HKO at best:

    252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Azumarill Knock Off vs. 232 HP / 0 Def Mega Venusaur: 108-128 (30 - 35.6%) -- 33.1% chance to 3HKO

    Sludge Bomb OHKOs, and Giga Drain rips off most of its HP:
    252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Giga Drain vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 312-368 (85.9 - 101.3%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
    252+ SpA Mega Venusaur Sludge Bomb vs. 88 HP / 0 SpD Azumarill: 372-440 (102.4 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

    KorpiklaaniVodka

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  • Skarmory @ Leftovers
    Trait: Sturdy
    EVs: 252 HP / 232 Def / 24 Spe
    Impish Nature

    - Brave Bird
    - Whirlwind
    - Defog
    - Roost

    Doesn't give a crap about anything Mega Venu does, and 2HKOes back with Brave Bird.
     

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  • Breloom @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Spore
    - Bullet Seed
    - Mach Punch
    - Rock Tomb

    Focus Sash will survive the BB if it miraculously dosen't kill, but Bullet Seed boosted by Technician should be more than enough to OHKO. I'm pretty sure that Breloom outspeeds with max speed and Jolly too, but I don't memorize Speed Tiers, so don't quote me on anything. ;)
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Breloom @ Focus Sash
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Spore
    - Bullet Seed
    - Mach Punch
    - Rock Tomb

    Focus Sash will survive the BB if it miraculously dosen't kill, but Bullet Seed boosted by Technician should be more than enough to OHKO. I'm pretty sure that Breloom outspeeds with max speed and Jolly too, but I don't memorize Speed Tiers, so don't quote me on anything. ;)

    That doesnt counter skarm lol. Bullet Seed is 4x resisted and Spore isnt going to keep it asleep for long enough for Mach Punch to kill.

    252 Atk Technician Breloom Mach Punch vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 58-69 (17.3 - 20.6%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

    252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 27-30 (8 - 8.9%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    252 Atk Technician Breloom Rock Tomb vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 57-68 (17 - 20.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery


    Anyway.


    Exeggutor @ Life Orb
    EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
    Rash Nature
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Leaf Storm
    - Psyshock
    - Low Kick

    Takes basically nothing from anything loom can do and crushes it back.
     

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    i wanna say talonflame as it easily beats eggy in 1v1 or actually any situation, it dies if it switches into psysh because of brave bird recoil but can just as easily ohko with u-turn


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    Talonflame @ Choice Band
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - U-turn
    - Me First

    252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 540-636 (163.1 - 192.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Flare Blitz vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 540-636 (163.1 - 192.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
    252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Exeggutor: 420-496 (126.8 - 149.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


    eggy is still dangerous with rocks up
    252+ SpA Life Orb Exeggutor Psyshock vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 239-282 (80.4 - 94.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    but the rules said 1v1 so...
     

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    Diancie @ Leftovers
    Ability: Clear Body
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpA
    Quiet Nature
    - Stealth Rock
    - Diamond Storm
    - Moonblast
    - Hidden Power Fire

    How does it feel to be countered by a sample set

    The bird can't do anything to it and Diamond Storm mauls it.
     

    KorpiklaaniVodka

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  • Nidoking @ Life Orb
    Trait: Sheer Force
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature

    - Earthquake
    - Sucker Punch
    - Rock Slide
    - Poison Jab

    Nidoking resists both Diamond Storm and Moonblast, takes about 30% from HP Fire, and 2HKO in return with EQ.

    P.S. Shut up about special variants.
     

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    -Krookodile w/Life Orb
    Nature: Jolly
    Ability: Moxie
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
    Moves: Earthquake, Knock Off, Stone Edge, Pursuit

    Can take an Earthquake:
    252+ Atk Life Orb Nidoking Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 235-278 (70.9 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Then outspeeds and delivers its own for the KO:
    252 Atk Life Orb Krookodile Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Nidoking: 491-580 (162 - 191.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

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    Heracross @ Heracronite
    Ability: Guts
    EVs: 40 HP / 252 Atk / 216 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Pin Missile
    - Rock Blast
    - Earthquake

    This is my favorite mega I swear

    252 Atk Life Orb Krookodile Stone Edge vs. 40 HP / 0 Def Mega Heracross: 117-139 (37.6 - 44.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 674-794 (203.6 - 239.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ Atk Mega Heracross Pin Missile (5 hits) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Krookodile: 700-840 (211.4 - 253.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     
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    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poison Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 52 Def / 200 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Roost
    - Fling
    - Earthquake
    - Acrobatics

    Rock Blast is a 3HKO allowing Gliscor to come in, take the hit and get Poison Heal activated. The next turn it uses Fling to poison M-Hera and get rid of its item allowing Acrobatics to 1HKO on the next turn. Or you could just Toxic stall it.
     
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    Suicune @ Leftovers
    Ability: Pressure
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Nature: Bold
    -Calm Mind
    -Scald
    -Rest
    -Sleep Talk

    eq? lol.
    acrobatics? lol.
    toxic? lol.
    set up? yes.

    win.
     
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    Dark Azelf

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    Cacturne@Focus Sash
    252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 def
    Adamant Nature
    Trait: Water Absorb
    - Swords Dance
    - Focus Punch
    - Seed Bomb
    - Sucker Punch

    No weaks
     

    PlatinumDude

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  • Cacturne@Focus Sash
    252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 def
    Adamant Nature
    Trait: Water Absorb
    - Swords Dance
    - Focus Punch
    - Seed Bomb
    - Sucker Punch

    No weaks

    Focus Punch is illegal on Water Absorb Cacturne, FYI. Focus Punch is a Gen IV TM that got replaced by Hone Claws in Gen V onward, while Water Absorb is a Hidden Abiilty in Gen V onward; those never existed in Gens III and IV.

    Anyway:

    Togekiss:
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    -Nasty Plot
    -Dazzling Gleam
    -Air Slash
    -Roost
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Serene Grace

    Resists everything Cacturne does, sets up and wrecks with either STAB.
     

    Dark Phantom Samurai

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    Focus Punch is illegal on Water Absorb Cacturne, FYI. Focus Punch is a Gen IV TM that got replaced by Hone Claws in Gen V onward, while Water Absorb is a Hidden Abiilty in Gen V onward; those never existed in Gens III and IV.

    Anyway:

    Togekiss:
    Counter that Pokemon! (READ THE FREAKING FIRST POST)

    -Nasty Plot
    -Dazzling Gleam
    -Air Slash
    -Roost
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 4 Def/252 SAtk/252 Spe
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Serene Grace

    Resists everything Cacturne does, sets up and wrecks with either STAB.

    Togekiss Counter:
    Regice
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    -Amnesia
    -Ice Beam
    -Rest
    -Rock Polish
    Nature: Calm
    EVs: 252 Sp.A 252 Sp.D
    Item: Icicle Plate


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    Gigalith
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    -Curse
    -Earthquake
    -Stone Edge
    -Superpower
    Nature: Adamant
    EV: 252 Attack, 200 HP, 58 Speed
    Item: Life Orb
    Ability: Sturdy
     

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  • You're technically only supposed to post one Pokemon, so because I don't want to clutter to thread, I'll just counter the Regice.

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    Heatran @ Leftovers
    Ability: Flash Fire
    EVs: 252 SpA / 12 SpD / 244 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Substitute
    - Toxic
    - Fire Blast
    - Earth Power

    This set laughs at whatever Ice Beam it tries to throw at it, not to mention once you set up a Sub it can literally not touch you at all. It dosen't matter if you outspeed, since none of your moves even do much to me. Toxic will stall you out if you try to stall with Amnesia, and Fire Blast is there for the raw power it brings. 120 Super Effective STAB is nothing to laugh about.
     
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