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    -Gastrodon w/Leftovers
    Nature: Relaxed
    Ability: Storm Drain
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Scald, Earthquake, Toxic, Recover

    Fire Blast and Earth Power are nothing to worry about:
    252 SpA Heatran Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Gastrodon: 105-125 (24.6 - 29.3%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
    252 SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Gastrodon: 116-137 (27.2 - 32.1%) -- 54.5% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

    Then EQ is a clean OHKO.
     

    Polar Spectrum

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  • Mantine with Expert Belt
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Water Absorb
    EVs: 252 HP, 252 Atk, 4 Sp.Defense
    Moves: Bullet Seed, Rest, Sleep Talk, Bounce

    Gastrodon's only option against Mantine is Toxic, which Mantine can rest away. Any opportunity to use Bullet Seed that hits more than twice will result in not really sustainable damage to gastrodon -


    252+ Atk Expert Belt Mantine Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 201-246 (47.1 - 57.7%) -- approx. 16.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    252+ Atk Expert Belt Mantine Bullet Seed (4 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 268-328 (62.9 - 76.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

    252+ Atk Expert Belt Mantine Bullet Seed (5 hits) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gastrodon: 335-410 (78.6 - 96.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
     

    Detox

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    Why anyone would ever use that is beyond me

    For example you are hard countered by Magnemite

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    Magnemite @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Magnet Pull
    EVs: 172 HP / 252 SpA / 84 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Volt Switch
    - Hidden Power Fire
    - Flash Cannon
    - Thunderbolt

    252+ Atk Mantine Bounce vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 25-30 (10.6 - 12.8%) -- possible 8HKO

    252+ Atk Mantine Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 172 HP / 0 Def Magnemite: 30-36 (12.8 - 15.3%) -- possible 7HKO

    252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnemite Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Mantine: 580-688 (173.6 - 205.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Electivire@Life Orb
    76 Atk / 252 S.Atk / 180 Speed
    Rash Nature
    Trait: Motor Drive
    - Thunderbolt
    - Flamethrower
    - Cross Chop
    - Hidden Power Ice

    No weaks.
     

    Detox

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    Rotom-Heat @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
    Bold Nature
    - Overheat
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Pain Split

    Can't stand the heat then get outta the kitchen imo

    76 Atk Life Orb Electivire Cross Chop vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-H: 82-97 (26.9 - 31.9%) -- 42.9% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

    Ill burn u and it does less lol

    252+ SpA Life Orb Electivire Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Rotom-H: 79-94 (25.9 - 30.9%) -- 7.6% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

    lol

    0 SpA Rotom-H Overheat vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Electivire: 186-220 (63.9 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Tyrannosaurus rekt
     
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    Scizor @ Choice Band
    Ability: Technician
    EVs: 248 HP / 100 Atk / 68 Def / 84 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Bullet Punch
    - U-Turn
    - Knock Off
    - Superpower

    Barely survives a 2HKO while threatening with a 1HKO Superpower.
    Also don't use this in a real fight, because that EV spread probably sucks :P
     

    Detox

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    Hi. This is dog. You may not remember dog, but dog remembers you. Dog remembers how you always shoved him into a lower tier to use "better" fire types like Mega Charizard and Heatran. However, dog is not mad. Dog doesn't care. Dog is just here to show you that he isn't worthless. But how? Well, Dog will counter your red mantis crab thing.

    Arcanine @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
    Impish Nature
    - Morning Sun
    - Toxic
    - Flare Blitz
    - Roar

    -1 100+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arcanine: 86-102 (22.4 - 26.6%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

    -1 100+ Atk Choice Band Scizor Superpower vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Arcanine: 107-126 (27.9 - 32.8%) -- 85.8% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

    8 Atk Arcanine Flare Blitz vs. 248 HP / 68 Def Scizor: 528-624 (153.9 - 181.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Dog may lose his leftovers, but dog doesn't care that much. You shoud be using dog with Rapid Spin or Defog support anyways, so that dog doesn't get shanked by Stealth Rock.
     

    Nah

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    Kingdra @ Scope Lens
    Ability: Sniper
    EVs: 64 HP / 252 SpA / 192 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Focus Energy
    - Draco Meteor
    - Hydro Pump
    - Hidden Power Fire

    Unfortunately, dog can't handle seahorses very well.
     

    Professor_Jared

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  • Goodra@Assault Vest
    Ability: Sap Sipper
    EVs: 248 HP/8 SpA/252 Sp Def
    Quiet Nature

    Moves:
    Draco Meteor
    Fire Blast
    Sludge Bomb
    Dragon Tail

    252+ SpA Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 150-176 (39.1 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ SpA Kingdra Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 31-37 (8 - 9.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    8+ SpA Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 350-414 (114 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Welcome to your personal hell Kingdra, because there's no turning back now.
     

    Polar Spectrum

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  • Why anyone would ever use that is beyond me

    For example you are hard countered by Magnemite

    Heh, well I wouldn't use that set personally, but please allow me to amicably explain why I posted that pokemon and set. ^^ a) It does in fact, serve as a counter to the last pokemon. Very well. b) This thread is a battling & team building section game if I'm not mistaken, and it doesn't break any of the rules in the OP. c) Most importantly, by posting some oddball like that that hasn't been used before, I both give the opportunity to and encourage the next poster to use something of the same ilk that also hasn't been used yet; ie not just a landorus, scizor, garchomp, heatran - etc. So the thread doesn't go in circles or get too full of the same pokemon over and over again.

    And hey, it worked :D You used Magnemite. So yaaaay.

    Sadly I'm too tired right now to follow suit, so I'll be lazy and just use azumarill to counter Kingdra. Goodra.

    Azumarill w/ Assault Vest
    Ability: Huge Power (I'll never understand where 'trait' came from)
    EV's: 252 Atk, 252 Sp Def, 6 HP
    Adamant Nature

    Play Rough, Waterfall, Superpower, Aqua Jet.

    Goodra's sludge bomb does like 1/3 Azu's health at best I'd wager, and Play Rough I'm fairly certain is an oh no ko
     

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    EDIT: I guess man. Magnemite was more of an example of how that set wouldn't work against anything than me trying to be different lol.

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    Venusaur @ Venusaurite
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 Spe
    Bold Nature
    - Giga Drain
    - Sludge Bomb
    - Synthesis
    - Hidden Power Fire

    Hard walled and Venu will outlast Azu even with the Vest of Tears on
     

    Polar Spectrum

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  • (Hey that's still cool, it was definitely the first time magnemite made it in here anyways :D )

    To deal with Megasaur

    Modest Delphox with an assault vest.

    252 Sp Atk, 252 Sp Def 6 HP.
    I wanted to say Mystical Fire, but the damage calculator doesn't even recognize Mystical Fire. :L So Psychic I guess. It does unsustainable damage to that mega venusaur, dealing 69.7 - 82.4% each time. Synthesis or not, venusaur can't wall that, and delphox outspeeds it as is. Venu can't get even a 4hko with sludge bomb either.
     

    LightBlast

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  • Goodra@Assault Vest
    Ability: Sap Sipper
    EVs: 248 HP/8 SpA/252 Sp Def
    Quiet Nature

    Moves:
    Draco Meteor
    Fire Blast
    Sludge Bomb
    Dragon Tail

    252+ SpA Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 150-176 (39.1 - 45.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

    252+ SpA Kingdra Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Goodra: 31-37 (8 - 9.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever

    8+ SpA Goodra Draco Meteor vs. 64 HP / 0 SpD Kingdra: 350-414 (114 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Welcome to your personal hell Kingdra, because there's no turning back now.

    I dont want to rain into your parade but..

    252+ SpA Sniper Kingdra Draco Meteor vs. 248 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Goodra on a critical hit: 333-396 (86.9 - 103.3%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

    Focus Energy and Scope Lens always secure a guaranteed crit, so Goodra is not a reliable counter or check.

    Anyway

    Mega Tyranitar
    Nature Jolly
    EV Spread: 252 atk, 252 spe, 6 hp

    Moves: Stone Edge, Crunch, Dragon Dance, Fire Punch

    252+ SpA Delphox Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Mega Tyranitar in Sand: 150-178 (43.9 - 52.1%) -- 14.1% chance to 2HKO

    Crunch OHKOs. Mega T-tar is also faster because Delphox isn't running max speed.
     

    Dark Azelf

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    Terrakion@Choice Band
    252 Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
    Jolly Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Stone Edge
    - Earthquake
    - X-Scissor

    resists the whole set.
     

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    Greninja@ Life orb
    Nature: Timid
    Abillity: Protean
    EV's: 252 Spe / 252 Atk.Sp / 4 Hp

    Is faster than Terrakion
    Hydro Pump Is a OHKO
    Extrasensory haves 81.3% chance to OHKO
    Ice beam is a 2HKO
    Problem with that is that Greninja can't switch into any of Terrakion's attacks, so it's a check, not a counter. Close Combat and X-Scissor would destroy it even without the Choice Band, and Stone Edge and Earthquake kill it with the Band.

    Uh, also, what's the 4th move? I'll just assume HP Fire for this.

    Countering Greninja:

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    -Mega Gyarados w/Gyaradosite
    Nature: Adamant
    Ability: Mold Breaker
    EVs: 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 Defense
    Moves: Waterfall, Ice Fang, Earthquake, Dragon Dance

    None of Greninja's moves is better than a 4HKO, which then let's MegaDos set up a Dragon Dance and destroy.
     
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    Talonflame Female Fire/Fly
    EV:6HP/252Atk/252Spd
    IV:31/31/31/xx/31/31
    Ability: Gale Wings
    Nature: Jolly
    Characteristic: Somewhat Vain
    Item: Life Orb
    Moves: Brave Bird
    Flare Blitz
    U-turn
    Roost

    Gale Wings gives priority to Brave Bird. Life Orb, plus STAB, plus Mega Heracross' 4x weakness to Flying-type moves. sorry man.
     

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  • Talonflame Female Fire/Fly
    EV:6HP/252Atk/252Spd
    IV:31/31/31/xx/31/31
    Ability: Gale Wings
    Nature: Jolly
    Characteristic: Somewhat Vain
    Item: Life Orb
    Moves: Brave Bird
    Flare Blitz
    U-turn
    Roost

    Gale Wings gives priority to Brave Bird. Life Orb, plus STAB, plus Mega Heracross' 4x weakness to Flying-type moves. sorry man.
    Not a counter. Talonflame can't switch into Rock Blast, making it a check at best. Read here.

    Anyway:

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    -Fire Blast
    -Flash Cannon
    -Earth Power
    -Stone Edge
    Nature: Modest
    EVs: 12 HP/252 SAtk/244 Spe
    Item: Choice Scarf

    Doesn't care about anything Talonflame does and OHKOes Talonflame with Stone Edge, even with a -Attack nature.
     

    Professor_Jared

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  • Garchomp@Choice Scarf
    Nature: Naive
    EVs: 4 Special Attack/252 Attack/252 Speed

    Moves:
    Outrage
    Earthquake
    Stone Edge
    Fire Blast

    252+ SpA Heatran Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0- SpD Garchomp: 184-217 (51.5 - 60.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 624-736 (191.4 - 225.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Garchomp comes in and takes a Flash Cannon on the first turn, and outspeeds and OHKOs Heatran on the next turn.
     
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    Dark Azelf

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    Ok.... I had a hard time to find a counter. But let's say, If Gyarados doesn't set the DD?

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    Heracross Mega @ Heracronite
    Ability: Skill link
    Nature: Jolly
    EV's: 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 4 Hp

    Ok. It's able to tank all moves without DD (Waterfall haves 70% of 2HKO). With jolly nature, It's faster than Gyarados.
    Close combat is a OHKO
    Pin missile is a OHKO
    Earthquake is a 2HKO
    Rock blast is a 2HKO

    Yeah so the bold just stated why it ISNT a counter so i mean lol.

    As for ScarfChomp

    Slowbro@Leftovers
    252 HP / 252 Def / 6 Sp.Def
    Bold Nature
    IVS: 0 Attack
    Trait: Regenerator
    - Slack Off
    - Calm Mind
    - Scald
    - Psyshock


    Comes in, takes the hit and recovers and uses you as set up fodder.
     

    Professor_Jared

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  • Tangrowth@Life Orb
    EVs: 132 HP/252 Special Attack/124 Speed

    Moves:
    Leaf Storm/Giga Drain
    Focus Blast
    Ancient Power
    Sleep Powder

    Poor, Poor Tangrowth almost everyone has forgotten about him/her. Anyways...

    0 SpA Slowbro Scald vs. 132 HP / 0 SpD Tangrowth: 75-88 (20 - 23.5%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

    0 SpA Slowbro Psyshock vs. 132 HP / 0 Def Tangrowth: 72-85 (19.2 - 22.7%) -- possible 5HKO

    252+ SpA Life Orb Tangrowth Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 647-764 (164.2 - 193.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    252+ SpA Life Orb Tangrowth Giga Drain vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Slowbro: 374-439 (94.9 - 111.4%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

    Slowbro goes down hard to Tangrowth who can not only switch in safely but also hit Slowbro back much harder on the next turn, and OHKO him/her with leaf storm or potentially put him/her to sleep with sleep powder and OHKO him with Giga Drain.
     
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