Leaks/Rumors Discussion Thread

[Z25]

Some problems with those counters:

1. Actually have a good point here, but it's always possible that these names do have hidden meaning that we're just not looking into.

2. Hau's Japan name is not Hoku, it's still Hau. Hoku was just the name of the kid in the trailer.

3. The name Caitlin hasn't been used for an important character in Japanese yet.

1) True, the names kind of fit with Hawaiian names imo.

2) That I did not know, as I saw several things comparing the kid hoku in the trailer to Hau, and misconceived that they were meant to be the same.

3) This is true, but the videos don't take place in Japan. They take place in Hawaii. Meaning they are English names. Which actually would further debunk the Hoku thing, so I'll remove point one.

These would be English names as they are not in a Japanese classroom. So it would mostly likely being Caitlin. So this point is still a 50/50

I'm not using them as counters, more so observations that I thought I'd point out.

 

[clbgolden]

1) True, the names kind of fit with Hawaiian names imo.

2) That I did not know, as I saw several things comparing the kid hoku in the trailer to Hau, and misconceived that they were meant to be the same.

3) This is true, but the videos don't take place in Japan. They take place in Hawaii. Meaning they are English names. Which actually would further debunk the Hoku thing, so I'll remove point one.

These would be English names as they are not in a Japanese classroom. So it would mostly likely being Caitlin. So this point is still a 50/50

I'm not using them as counters, more so observations that I thought I'd point out.

It takes place in America, but it's still a Japan trailer. Thus, they'd want to communicate the gym leader names using their Japanese names.

 

[Z25]

It takes place in America, but it's still a Japan trailer. Thus, they'd want to communicate the gym leader names using their Japanese names.

Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were english ones. What are the Japanese names of previous leaders?

 

[OmegaRuby and AlphaSapphire]

Maybe, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were english ones. What are the Japanese names of previous leaders?

Japanese gym leaders usually have flower based names. Are any of the names in the trailer related to flowers?

 

[blue]

That Japanese trailer did have some English names too, so they could well be the actual names of unrevealed characters. As for Gym Leaders I wouldn't really say that is what they represent, though.

 

[Z25]

Japanese gym leaders usually have flower based names. Are any of the names in the trailer related to flowers?

To my knowledge, none of this correlate to a flower.

I can't and don't think any relate to the words ed, hoku, Pablo or Caitlin. They are very English games, that you usually wouldn't see in Japan.

So I think the trailer really wanted to capture the american region feel and to be as accurate as they could, used English names. Plus English is taught and known vastly throughout Japan so it's not that much of a stretch that they will be English character names imo.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

Another set of leaks from 4chan popped up today:

Spoiler:

First of all, i know you are not going to believe me, so if you are going to throw bull**** to me, leave. I dont need to convince nobody.
Second, sorry if my english isnt good enough. im not english native.
>I could play the demo 3 times to use the 3 different starters
>I played the 3 times in pokemon moon
>The demo ends in the 2 badge
>I played the english version, theres no european languages demo available (maybe this is why the game is delayed in europe)
>Your main character is from kanto and comes to alola because your dad is an Elite four. His mom's meowth is from kanto, You cant catch meowth in alola
>Litten evolves into Smokelote, It still quadruped, but when it uses a physical attack stands up. Its type becomes dark/fire. (I dont know the 2nd evo, my demo ends pretty soon to do it).
>Smokelote learns rip up, a dark type fake out with 60 of dmg - Physical.
>Smokelote is REALLY fast, it hitted like 67 speed at level 18, thats insane for a second stage pokemon.
>Rowlet evolves into Cowleaf a bulkier version of rowlet, but with angry eyes and hidding its peak (with its left wing).
>When it evolves to cowleaf it learns razor feathers. Its a flying type version of stalth rock that can be stacked like 3 times.
>Popplio was suprising, remember that ballio thing who was "leaked"?? Forget that, totally opposite. Popplio evolves into Hoppop, Its like a female looking gymnast that uses a giant bubble. Popplio becomes fairy.
>At lvl 16 Hoppop learns bouncing ball. This attack is really strange. It hits from 2-5 times and deals damage when it hits enemy then returns and heal Hoppop. If it bounces 3 times, so it hits 3 times and heals 3 times. Anyways its power isnt very high, just 25 base powers and heals a bit everytime it comes, i dont know the percent bc in game that is not specified.
>All this new attacks they learn are like upgraded versions of other known attacks.
>Theres megaevolution in sun/mon. I received a Delphoxite for picking popplio after first gym.

Yeah, it is pretty strange, i didnt even have fennekin.
Anyways i asked to other testers who played with me if they received a delphoxite too, and a guy who picked litten received the chesnaughtite.

I evolved a rockruff in the second time i played. I focused in leveling starters, because as i said the demo is pretty short.
Rockruff evolves into a hound with a heavy spiked rock collar. It turns pretty bigger and keeps being normal/rock. Gets rocky wrists too. I think is just a 2nd evo because seems incomplete.

Its second type gets normal type so, i didnt noticed rockruff was just rock at start, the second stage is normal/rock 100%.

I focused 99% in starters.

I think this mega stones u receive after 1st gym are spread in this way:
Popplio last evo-Delphox (Femenine starters)
Chesnaught-Litten last evo (Masculine starters)
Rowlet last evo-Greninja (Sneaky/assasins/starters)

First gym leader was bug type:
Its team was:
Grubbin
Cutiefly
Charjabug

Second Gym leather- Fire type:
Salandit
Keaheat (A charred coconut with triangle teeth, it is lika a halloweem pumpkin but done with a coconut. it has fire inside)
Camerupt

This is like a strange new thing. This pic is 100% real. (He's referring to the bond move we saw from the new trailer)
There are all typying gems that if u activate then your pokemon uses a very powerful generic attack of that type.
There are 2 versions, a rhombus and a star, the star does a physical attack, the rhombus does an special attack.

There are a lot of old pokemon. This is another kalos gen, not much new pokemon and i guess a lot of megas.
I saw a fire-ghost coconut. A pink and black bear, A Flamingo....

The thread is currently active, I could link you guys to it if it's allowed.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

This is an interesting leak that definitely contradicts the others that have been leaked so far, especially about the no gyms part (which is pretty significant, imo). If this leaker is correct, it seems like gyms are here to remain, but what has me most curious is the starter evolutions. The details are kind of...extremely vague to even mentally picture anything (at least, to me), so it isn't particularly helpful.

The leaker provided sketches of what the evos look like in the thread, but showing them would depend if I'm allowed to link 4chan threads here.

 

[Hikamaru]

Okay, so dissecting this leak that Pinkie shared from 4chan:

- Rockruff evolutions gaining Normal-type? I don't think we've had that type combination yet so nice to see it's going to become very unique in that matter.
- Kalos starters have Megas? Something I feel was introduced a generation too late if you ask me.
- Alola starter middle evos Cowleaf, Smokelote and Hoppop. I personally think Hoppop is a terrible name for a Popplio evo since it sounds too similar to Hoppip.
- Gyms are staying, but what is this with getting a Bug-type first Gym two generations in a row? It's becoming the new Rock-type of first Gyms if you ask me. A Fire-type second Gym is nice though, so some advantage for those who chose Popplio.
- Protagonist is apparently the son/daughter of an Elite Four member? That reminds me how much Brendan/May was the child of a Gym Leader, so interesting Hoenn shout-out with that.
- And speaking of the Alola starters, I was right about Litten being the fast one. All three becoming dual-typed by the second stage is nice, because we haven't had that since Hoenn (not counting Sinnoh and Unova where only the Fire starter gained their additional type before the final stage).
- Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark and Water/Fairy? Seems to match up with the rumored types in one of the recent leaks, so no wonder that final stage concept art is becoming more real with time.
- Numel line in the regional Dex as well, which I believe is the first time it's appeared in a regional Dex other than Hoenn (which was its introductory region).
- Litten and Rowlet evo learning Fake Out and Stealth Rock variants? This is interesting as well.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

What I don't like about the leaked roster of the first two gym leaders is that the bug type gym leader is using two Pokémon from the same family (despite older Bug types already available early in-game) and the fire gym leader's ace Pokémon isn't an Alola Pokémon (it's Camerupt).

 

[Entermaid]

Thanks for providing the summary info from 4chan. It's always fun to look at the many conflicting "leaks'...minus the racism, misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, and xenophobia.

 

[Hikamaru]

What I don't like about the leaked roster of the first two gym leaders is that the bug type gym leader is using two Pokémon from the same family (despite older Bug types already available early in-game) and the fire gym leader's ace Pokémon isn't an Alola Pokémon (it's Camerupt).

Burgh in B2/W2 Normal Mode used both Swadloon and Leavanny in the same team, and while he had a Whirlipede in B/W it was replaced due to the Venipede line becoming Roxie's ace. But if the first Gym Leader has a Cutiefly in his/her team, that has to imply that Cutiefly is likely catchable early on.

But a Camerupt for the second Gym Leader's ace? Reminds me so much of Misty's Starmie here, and what's the bet it's an underleveled Camerupt since Numel only evolve at Level 33 which is not what second Gym levels are at all.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I hope not to come across as snarky, but to those people who wanted Gym Leaders to remain but they have less than satisfactory Pokemon for your tastes, well...kinda better off of they didn't exist at all if they're going to exist to disappoint.

We've already gone past this issue with the gym leader roster since Gen VI, so it makes little sense now for them to continue making the same mistakes from the early days with so many Pokémon of different types now.

 

[Hikamaru]

We've already gone past this issue with the gym leader roster since Gen VI, so it makes little sense now for them to continue making the same mistakes from the early days with so many Pokémon of different types now.

I think they might be trying to limit it to Pokemon found around the time you encounter that Gym. That's my guess.

 

[youngster_joey]

Huh. I'd actually never seen that starter artwork. If that turns out to be true I might have to contemplate starting with Rowlet rather than Litten, the final form of Rowlet is insanely cool. I can't get enough of the fact that it uses it's wing as a bow. Still, I dig the final form of Litten as well. It's definitely going to be a tough decision...

 

[Hikamaru]

The leaker provided sketches of what the evos look like in the thread, but showing them would depend if I'm allowed to link 4chan threads here.

I'm sure you should be fine, since it's really only Serebii that I recall bans discussion involving 4chan. Did you manage to capture any pictures while you were there because I do want to see what the middle starter evos the leaker was talking about.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I'm sure you should be fine, since it's really only Serebii that I recall bans discussion involving 4chan. Did you manage to capture any pictures while you were there because I do want to see what the middle starter evos the leaker was talking about.

Here's a link that recaps the most important stuff from that leak, including the sketches of the middle starter evos and Rockruff's evo.

 

[Hikamaru]

Here's a link that recaps the most important stuff from that leak, including the sketches of the middle starter evos and Rockruff's evo.

That new "Keaheat" actually looks really nice, but looking at the drawings of the starters' middle evos I think I am starting to see a connection to the final evos' concept art that has been floating around for a while. "Hoppop" definitely looks the closest in design to its supposed final evo, and while I can't seem to make as big of a connection to the other two I do notice "Smokelote" has whiskers that are starting to become around the length of its supposed final evo. "Cowleaf" I think seems to cover its face like a hood, maybe hinting to the hood that its final evo develops.

Oh, and it appears someone commented this on the final evos' concept art - "confirmed :-("

No wonder I believed that art was real even when people tried correcting me into thinking it was a fake.

 

[Y2A_Alkis]

Hm, a short demo in which we are able to get a mega stone? Sounds suspiciously alike to ORAS ;-)
But I'd be totally hyped nontheless for a demo. The ORAS demo came out 1 month before the release. So maybe we'll get the same treatment once again? Mid-October hypu?
The other stuff mentioned in this supposed leak sounds intriguing, but I won't be buying anything non-official. (Although some bits sound cool)

 

[Hikamaru]

Hm, a short demo in which we are able to get a mega stone? Sounds suspiciously alike to ORAS ;-)
But I'd be totally hyped nontheless for a demo. The ORAS demo came out 1 month before the release. So maybe we'll get the same treatment once again? Mid-October hypu?
The other stuff mentioned in this supposed leak sounds intriguing, but I won't be buying anything non-official. (Although some bits sound cool)

A demo coming out in October seems feasible, given if Sun & Moon are getting released around the same time that OR/AS did. I do find it weird why Kalos starters had to wait a generation after their introduction to get a Mega, but hopefully we'll find out about more new Megas as we get closer to release, or wait until release day if Game Freak really want to keep them under wraps.