Supporter Mafia Season Two: The Return

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El Héroe Oscuro said:
Let's break apart these five points, shall we?

Answer: He was the reason why I was killed in the first game, which is why he feels guilty and wants to make amends for the last game. Furthermore, him and I have talked and both know that the other is innocent, which is why we've been protecting each other back and forth throughout this game.

Answer: Honestly, no idea why he said that, but he did confess to not being the detective. He probably just wanted you to get off his back - just like how you wanted to get people to get off your back by claiming you were the Vigilante, only that he had the balls to take back his assertion.

Answer: Duh, everyone in this game is trying to appear neutral. Everyone is reading between the lines of everyone's posts and looking for something to blindly follow. Neutral is really the only safe way to play this game.

Answer: This is the stupidest point yet. This is like saying a crystal tier user was Mafia then the other two must be mafia! Pointless claim here that has no factual evidence behind it, as this is a biased claim.

Answer: Oh yeah? Look at the first night when everyone killed off Archer99. He had no credible evidence that he was mafia, yet everyone joined the lynch bandwagon with that one because everyone wanted to stay neutral and not speak out against it (see what I did there?). Only one person supported my claim that Zehn was mafia and changed their blind vote - which I still have my suspicions about - and that would be GreenFlame.

Besides #2 - which is more stupid than anything - your points hold no validity and just sound like make believe hocus pocus in order to coo people to kill a specific user. Come back when you have actual evidence, eh?
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What evidence have you got against Zehn? If you have something better than I do, I'll gladly change my vote. So far though, I'm the only one (bar Greenflame now) who has actually given a real reason for anything, it's not amazing evidence but it's a lot more than you have presented.

I'll tackle all your rebuttals in order of point for the sake of convenience.

1. You couldn't possibly know without a doubt that the other is innocent unless one of you is actually the detective, or unless you've been breaking the rules. I could believe that he's protecting you out of guilt, but honestly I think that Klippy is smarter than that. Your protecting each other is what makes you seem suspicious because their is currently no real reason obvious to us for you to do so.

2. He didn't confess to not being the detective, he slipped up and broke his lie. What benefit could saying he is the detective achieve if he is innocent anyway? As for why I haven't retracted my own statement, that's because it is actually true. Which you will all undoubtably find out very soon because I'm either going to get lynched or killed.

3. I'm not trying to be neutral, I'm trying to root out Greens and lynch them. It's an aggressive and risky way to play, but so far I've got one so I'm not complaining. When none of your posts actually contain any substance whatsoever (besides trying to prove your own innocence), it just makes you look guilty.

4. Ordinarily, I wouldn't even consider that someone would make the game that easy. But the way you and Klippy protect each other and apocalypseArisen's guilt do make me wonder. On its own this point would hold no merit, it is your actions and Klippy's that made me suspicious after discovering apocalypse's guilt. Do I think it is likely all three of you are mafia, no. However none of you have done anything that discredits the idea. Like I said, it is your actions that make it look this way.

5. Exactly, and how did the neutrality work out for us? How did random killing without actually having a reason work out for us? We ended up killing an innocent. Despite this, Klippy is still prepared to do that making his lack of concern for the Supporter side obvious.

God these heated mafia debates are fun.

Edit: Also I just want to point out that if I was a mafia there'd be no reason for me to try and kill a specific user when he's already made it clear he isn't really the detective. It'd be much more effective to just follow along with everyone else and kill whoever you were voting for so long as they were innocent.

Eros said:
to be honest gimmiepie, even if you aren't mafia you're being extremely problematic right now.
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I don't see how I'm really causing any problems, certainly this is better than just blind lynching again. I'm giving evidence to support my belief, whether you agree or not is up to you.
 
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In the end, my kill vote is going towards Zehn. He's the only one I still have suspicions about considering he tried to tell people I was Mafia in previous games just to get people riled up. Furthermore, I don't like how inactive he has been - only posting once in this entire day/night phase - which raises my suspicions even more.

People should consider this before choosing your victim.
 
Well, six people are dead and only one of them was a Green. Thirteen people remain, and at least two of them are also Greens. (was it ever stated how many Greens there'd be?) If we accidentally lynch a Supporter, then another one will be killed tonight (unless the Doctor intervenes) which would leave us with a 9 : 2 ratio of Supporters : Greens, and more likely an 8 : 3 or even 7 : 4 ratio, which isn't very good at all.

So far we have a vote for Klippy, Zero, Aslan, and Zehn, which constitutes nearly a third of the remaining players, so I think there's a fair chance one of those four names are a Green. There's zero evidence on Zero (hehe punny) and Aslan, and little for Zehn or Klippy.

Klippy's an entertaining player when he's in his full Noir persona, so that leaves me kind of against his demise, lol. Zehn did seem a tiny bit off during the early game, and hasn't posted very much since, which seems to have kind of made others forget about him.

For now, I'll make him my vote.

LYNCH Zehn
 
I'm just going to segway here a bit and use my almighty GM powers, since this is not really much about this session per se, but if anyone wants to join Nakuzami's Mafia game over at Forum Games, please do so! We need all the members we can get to kill :3

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Anyways, back to the game, you have atleast more than 12 hours left :3 I suggest you guys think this through! Like, really through :3
 
El Héroe Oscuro said:
In the end, my kill vote is going towards Zehn. He's the only one I still have suspicions about considering he tried to tell people I was Mafia in previous games just to get people riled up. Furthermore, I don't like how inactive he has been - only posting once in this entire day/night phase - which raises my suspicions even more.

People should consider this before choosing your victim.
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To be honest I though you had been Mafia in a pervious game, when I found out I was wrong, I apologied (which you did not a knowledge in any way and removed my vote. You also got your role wrong thinking you were detective when you were not and that just proves that we all make mistakes. Also lyncching me for inactivaty since I was voted to lynch:
1. just haven't had anything to contribute
2. I have been busy planning my trip to Japan in a week
3. I'm trying not to just post sometime that points the finger without evident (from this game)

If you really want me to post, "humm this guy was suspious, but this guy was also" and point out the obvious I will (when I have the time)

So before you lynch me because I made a mistake about your role, remember you got yours wrong too, and Klippy claimed he was detective
And before you lynch me cause I haven't said anything, remember, I am just as clueless as everyone else

Personally I think it is possible both El and Klippy are Mafia, that would mean they both each other roles. No wonder klippy would say he is detective, because he would know that he wouldn't get killed

But I'm not going to say El is Mafia or klippy is Mafia, I'm just pointing out things before deciding who to lynch. We should not think lightly about who we lynch, they could be doctor or detective or anyone
 
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I took a hit off my dwindling cigarette. It felt like the dwindling of my life before my eyes. Each puff of smoke from gimmepie's false accusations slowly leading me to my death. I looked around for anyone to help me. Anyone willing to forgive a misdirected idea that left my tongue twisted and my palms sweaty (knees weak, mom's spaghetti).

I looked around, unsure. Nobody was willing to see reason or understand that all I desired was to save as many innocent lives as possible. I looked gimmepie in the eyes. I pleaded for my life with my gaze. I wasn't sure he'd ever trust me. I decided to wait before re-casting my vote. It was too risky now to draw further attention on myself when all I wanted was the truth to be revealed.
 
Klippy said:
I took a hit off my dwindling cigarette. It felt like the dwindling of my life before my eyes. Each puff of smoke from gimmepie's false accusations slowly leading me to my death. I looked around for anyone to help me. Anyone willing to forgive a misdirected idea that left my tongue twisted and my palms sweaty (knees weak, mom's spaghetti).

I looked around, unsure. Nobody was willing to see reason or understand that all I desired was to save as many innocent lives as possible. I looked gimmepie in the eyes. I pleaded for my life with my gaze. I wasn't sure he'd ever trust me. I decided to wait before re-casting my vote. It was too risky now to draw further attention on myself when all I wanted was the truth to be revealed.
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I can understand how you feel but at least you are getting voted to be lynch as much as I am for a wrong reason :/

Also I have so evidence to put forth, I looked over the thread at apocalypseArisen and his actions. He didn't post much during the discussion, only posting his lynch view when everyone else had. You know who else did that? Zero
 
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Klippy said:
I took a hit off my dwindling cigarette. It felt like the dwindling of my life before my eyes. Each puff of smoke from gimmepie's false accusations slowly leading me to my death. I looked around for anyone to help me. Anyone willing to forgive a misdirected idea that left my tongue twisted and my palms sweaty (knees weak, mom's spaghetti).

I looked around, unsure. Nobody was willing to see reason or understand that all I desired was to save as many innocent lives as possible. I looked gimmepie in the eyes. I pleaded for my life with my gaze. I wasn't sure he'd ever trust me. I decided to wait before re-casting my vote. It was too risky now to draw further attention on myself when all I wanted was the truth to be revealed.
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Actually that's all those cigarettes leading you to your death.
I just thought I'd be helpful and lynch you since that seems more efficient.
 
I accept that people are allowed to be suspicious of those who don't really say anything but what made you go for me over the other quiet users?

You mentioned Juno's post and I agree with her all the way. I don't have enough evidence to prove someone's a Green so the logical thing to do is vote with the majority. With Archer's death most people just jumped on the lynch train and turned out to be wrong. That's why I've been keeping silent because I don't necessarily agree with any of your evidence why x or y is mafia.
 
El Héroe Oscuro said:
gimmepie I don't think your plan of "staff automatically mafia" is going to hold weight now that Sonata is a Moderator...
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I have told you, that's not my plan. I think it is a possibility and that Klippy is definitely mafia.
Why would something that happened after the game was made have any effect anyway?
 
gimmepie said:
I have told you, that's not my plan. I think it is a possibility and that Klippy is definitely mafia.
Why would something that happened after the game was made have any effect anyway?
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Relax haha, I was only joking about how there are 4 Moderators now and only 3 Mafia positions.
 
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