Supporter Mafia Season Two: The Return

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Nakuzami said:
Klippy's color changed, I think that's enough proof of him being an evil dude.
but whoa hey Klippy's color changed that's cool



So you're the Vigilante, then? To be honest I'm not sure if it's a good thing to come right out and say that when many people are suspicious of you and the Vigilante just killed a Green. Even if you're telling the truth, it doesn't really look good, with you saying that you can't be guilty, but you have no proof and it would be stupid to kill you. And if you are telling the truth and you don't get lynched, then the Greens would probably make you their next target, which means you're screwed if the Doctor doesn't protect you. And, by the by, if you are killed, it won't be said whether or not you were the Vigilante. It might be hinted at, but I don't believe all will be revealed.

oh goodness. Right now things seem to be getting a bit too chaotic. We should probably try to discuss things with more level heads and whatever facts and evidence we can muster if we don't want to end up doing the Mafia's job for them.

I think I'll read back through some of the thread now to see if there's anything I can find.
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The only other answer I could think of is that if he's not the Vigilante and is Mafia, then we as supporters wouldn't kill him thinking he's on our side but that Mafia would inevitably kill him knowing his role...only he is Mafia so he would be unaffected. It would basically be allowing him to be protected from both sides of the game.
 
It's been passed around that those who are more or less silent and like to just toss in a vote towards the end are mafia. I would like to revoke that idea. If you were in the last game over in Forum Games I would like to think that I more or less controlled the ways in which people were being killed. I was starting arguments, providing accusations and what I wanted people to believe were facts. And in the end I was revealed to be mafia, and a low ranking member no less. Matt had the idea, whether jokingly or an actual idea I don't know, that I was mafia and he was right. I would like to say that if we were going to lynch someone today and throw about accusations, we turn our attentions towards those who try to spearhead movements against other players and to go with our guts. This game I've been playing a more passive role than I appeared to be playing before. This is because now that I am a supporter who literally can't do anything other than vote, I would prefer to act as a judge and jury for the accused rather than take on one of the leading roles as the accusing lawyer.

There have been players this game who have been more apt to hold their tongue than I, but I believe that even should we go down the list of those with least activity we would not find our way to the mafia as quickly as we would tackling things in the ways I've stated. I refuse to comment on the innocence or guilt of one player or the other, because honestly I don't know. We're just running around like chickens with our heads chopped off. Someone might have already yelled wolf, but we've been too busy with our own designs to even take notice. I implore you to read more into what people say and not just take things at face value.

Every person is important and we shouldn't be so hasty to just condemn someone to death or else we'll see the same end as the Forum Games' last round of mafia. Someone comes up with something even a little bit revealing and everyone jumps on it like ravenous wolves regardless of if the meat is tainted with lies.
 
The problem is there's no way to tell what's truth and what's lies without a detective. Maybe someone's still working behind the scenes and emo wasn't really the detective, but we're no better than we were in FG's since our detective then was MIA.
 
Klippy said:
The problem is there's no way to tell what's truth and what's lies without a detective. Maybe someone's still working behind the scenes and emo wasn't really the detective, but we're no better than we were in FG's since our detective then was MIA.
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Well now I no longer feel that there's any chance that Klippy is the detective. So those of you worried about me targeting El can relax. This is as good as an admission that Klippy was lying.

@Naku - I was hoping if you all figured I was dying you'd be more inclined to listen to me. Plus, when I'm killed it will show I'm innocent, why would an innocent lie about their role?
 
Frankly, a lot (if not, all) of the accusations that have been made in this thread so far have been baseless and stupid, which is why I've sat back and said nothing as I wasn't exactly on board with any of the lynch trains. Since we were no longer allowed to abstain, I hastily voted with the majority on Archer at the end of Day 2, even though I wasn't convinced there was anything suspicious about him - there just weren't any other leads either way and I knew if I voted against the majority without any proof that would have made me look suspicious as well.

My plan was to just stay quiet and unnoticed until I was threatened so as to not draw attention to myself (both from the Mafia and lynch-happy innocents), since it's clear that anyone who speaks up in this thread is going to have their posts dissected and twisted against them, as evidenced by... well, everyone that's spoken up a lot in this thread, lol.

So I have to agree with Sonata here, I don't think there's much weight to the idea that those who stay silent and just vote at the end are more likely to be Mafia, as I'm sure I can't be the only innocent who's been quiet because they don't want to be a target.
 
I can see what's developed from these claims and why it's developed, but it's still so impossible to tell the truth.

I believe that Klippy may not be the detective, and we shouldn't lynch him, and there are reasons, if you look deep into the logic of it. gimme likewise.

Of course, it probably won't matter anyway, since everyone treats these claims as an instant "clue to being a mafiosi". But remember what Archer99 said.

"Just take down the right person next time..."
 
It's nearly impossible to discern the truth from any of these posts. :/ But we HAVE to vote for someone at some point and that's the problem. All our votes will be truly unfounded so long as we have no clues.
 
The point is that someone here, no matter how realistically innocent they may appear, is a Green. But yes, if we don't have the truth, we really can't tell that apart.

Don't let yourself be fooled by anyone's posts. No matter how realistic they may seem, you must never eliminate anyone as a suspect, until the day their blood bleeds pure.
 
GreenFlame said:
The point is that someone here, no matter how realistically innocent they may appear, is a Green. But yes, if we don't have the truth, we really can't tell that apart.

Don't let yourself be fooled by anyone's posts. No matter how realistic they may seem, you must never eliminate anyone as a suspect, until the day their blood bleeds pure.
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It's so clear to me now.
It's been looking me right in the eyes.
You must be a mafia, after all it's in your name.



In all seriousness though, I think we can safely assume that Klippy was lying about being the detective, which as far as I'm concerned makes him the most suspicious here. I think we should lynch him, and if he turns out to be mafia put El next on the list since he's been working so hard to defend him.

If he turns out to be innocent, feel free to lynch me next time around. Assuming nobody has killed me before then anyway.
 
Lynching me is a bad call and a waste of time. I'm so innocent that if I WAS Mafia and was lynched, I'd quit staff. ;) That's how confident I am I'm innocent.
 
Klippy said:
Lynching me is a bad call and a waste of time. I'm so innocent that if I WAS Mafia and was lynched, I'd quit staff. ;) That's how confident I am I'm innocent.
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Except we all know there's no way you'd do that :P

You can claim innocence as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you look the shadiest since we've caught you out on pretending to be the detective. Since we have to lynch someone, we should definitely go with you. There's also the added benefit of if/when you are proven to be mafia, it also deepens any suspicion on El because of your actions.
 
gimmepie said:
Except we all know there's no way you'd do that :P

You can claim innocence as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you look the shadiest since we've caught you out on pretending to be the detective. Since we have to lynch someone, we should definitely go with you. There's also the added benefit of if/when you are proven to be mafia, it also deepens any suspicion on El because of your actions.
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Hey...do what you feel will help the Blues win. I can guarantee it isn't me that'll be regretting it. But you're right. We do need to cast some votes.

I'm just gonna go with a random person at this point.

LYNCH [Zero]
 
1. Is trying very hard to prevent one other person from being lynched.
2. Lied about being the detective.
3. Is trying very hard to appear as a neutral figure.
4. Is a staff member like one person who has been proven Green already and also like El, whom he has been actively defending constantly.
5. Is prepared to kill off a random person, even though logically speaking I'm more suspicious. Likely because killing me will further incriminate him (not that I want to die. I'm having fun.)

You were out after three strikes but took another two anyway.
Sorry but

[LYNCH] Klippy
 
New rule: Whoever can prove Klippy's innocence or guiltiness, he will personally give you his smod position :)








lolnop 24 hours left in day three, get your votes in quick gdi
 
gimmepie said:
It's so clear to me now.
It's been looking me right in the eyes.
You must be a mafia, after all it's in your name.



In all seriousness though, I think we can safely assume that Klippy was lying about being the detective, which as far as I'm concerned makes him the most suspicious here. I think we should lynch him, and if he turns out to be mafia put El next on the list since he's been working so hard to defend him.

If he turns out to be innocent, feel free to lynch me next time around. Assuming nobody has killed me before then anyway.
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Look, we're not just randomly lynching Klippy, just because he seemingly admitted being the Detective and it may make him suspicious it doesn't make him actually suspicious in the way of being a Green. It doesn't give us nearly enough to lynch him.

It almost appears as though you're attempting a suicide attack on Klippy, perhaps because he's a high priority target of the Greens (Detective), and you want to get him lynched because you're a Green even if it means getting yourself lynched.

But we don't have any answers here, so nothing can be confirmed at all.
 
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GreenFlame said:
Look, we're not just randomly lynching Klippy, just because he seemingly admitted being the Detective and it may make him suspicious it doesn't make him actually suspicious in the way of being a Green. It doesn't give us nearly enough to lynch him.

It almost appears as though you're attempting a suicide attack on Klippy, perhaps because he's a high priority target of the Greens (Detective), and you want to get him lynched because you're a Green even if it means getting yourself lynched.

But we don't have any answers here, so nothing can be confirmed at all.
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Except I'm not voting randomly, voting randomly is what Klippy did.
It doesn't matter who we vote for in a sense, since we are taking a risk regardless, but if I'm going to have to take that risk I'm going to lynch someone who has been caught out on a lie rather than some random person I have nothing on either way.

It's not like I've only targeted Klippy either, at first I wanted to lynch El. However right now I think Klippy has made himself far more suspicious. If you can show me someone more suspicious (other than myself, I'm hardly going to vote to lynch myself) I'll happily lynch them instead but nobody looks more suspicious than Klippy.
 
gimmepie said:
Except I'm not voting randomly, voting randomly is what Klippy did.
It doesn't matter who we vote for in a sense, since we are taking a risk regardless, but if I'm going to have to take that risk I'm going to lynch someone who has been caught out on a lie rather than some random person I have nothing on either way.

It's not like I've only targeted Klippy either, at first I wanted to lynch El. However right now I think Klippy has made himself far more suspicious. If you can show me someone more suspicious (other than myself, I'm hardly going to vote to lynch myself) I'll happily lynch them instead but nobody looks more suspicious than Klippy.
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I didn't really mean to say you voted randomly, but rather just lynching Klippy for a reason that isn't really worthy.

Well honestly, it seems like lynching you this day would solve more questions than lynching Klippy. Darn it's so hard to pick...

Either or both of you could be lying, but either or both of you could be telling the truth. This may not be worth it.


I'm gonna go ahead and cast a (subject to change, but for now this is my vote) vote.

Aslan

Why? Because I believe Aslan's behaviour bears similarities to that of [supporter]apocalypseArisen[/supporter] - acting somewhat neutral and agreeing with others, but not really having an opinion otherwise.
While Juno did say that being quiet doesn't mean suspicion, I believe any posts should be treated with skepticism in general here.
 
GreenFlame said:
I didn't really mean to say you voted randomly, but rather just lynching Klippy for a reason that isn't really worthy.

Well honestly, it seems like lynching you this day would solve more questions than lynching Klippy. Darn it's so hard to pick...

Either or both of you could be lying, but either or both of you could be telling the truth. This may not be worth it.


I'm gonna go ahead and cast a (subject to change, but for now this is my vote) vote.

Aslan

Why? Because I believe Aslan's behaviour bears similarities to that of [supporter]apocalypseArisen[/supporter] - acting somewhat neutral and agreeing with others, but not really having an opinion otherwise.
While Juno did say that being quiet doesn't mean suspicion, I believe any posts should be treated with skepticism in general here.
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I can respect that, at least you have something of a reason. Personally, I'm sticking with my vote against Klippy though since he still seems the most suspicious to me.
 
Let's break apart these five points, shall we?
gimmepie said:
1. Is trying very hard to prevent one other person from being lynched.
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Answer: He was the reason why I was killed in the first game, which is why he feels guilty and wants to make amends for the last game. Furthermore, him and I have talked and both know that the other is innocent, which is why we've been protecting each other back and forth throughout this game.
2. Lied about being the detective.
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Answer: Honestly, no idea why he said that, but he did confess to not being the detective. He probably just wanted you to get off his back - just like how you wanted to get people to get off your back by claiming you were the Vigilante, only that he had the balls to take back his assertion.
3. Is trying very hard to appear as a neutral figure.
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Answer: Duh, everyone in this game is trying to appear neutral. Everyone is reading between the lines of everyone's posts and looking for something to blindly follow. Neutral is really the only safe way to play this game.
4. Is a staff member like one person who has been proven Green already and also like El, whom he has been actively defending constantly.
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Answer: This is the stupidest point yet. This is like saying a crystal tier user was Mafia then the other two must be mafia! Pointless claim here that has no factual evidence behind it, as this is a biased claim.
5. Is prepared to kill off a random person, even though logically speaking I'm more suspicious. Likely because killing me will further incriminate him (not that I want to die. I'm having fun.)
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Answer: Oh yeah? Look at the first night when everyone killed off Archer99. He had no credible evidence that he was mafia, yet everyone joined the lynch bandwagon with that one because everyone wanted to stay neutral and not speak out against it (see what I did there?). Only one person supported my claim that Zehn was mafia and changed their blind vote - which I still have my suspicions about - and that would be GreenFlame.

Besides #2 - which is more stupid than anything - your points hold no validity and just sound like make believe hocus pocus in order to coo people to kill a specific user. Come back when you have actual evidence, eh?
 
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