The Darkest Dungeon

[Sonata]

I haven't had time to fully read through everything for this day phase, but I get the gist of what's going on right now. So that being said, a roll of the dice hasn't failed me yet this week.

[attack] Zehn

 

[Spectrum]

Many people had been saying that it wouldn't be a good idea for us to spread out damage early game and were, quite frankly, supporting it with some pretty terrible logic. I was merely addressing that fact. I'm saying that it's not a bad strategy for this early game; but at the same time, I feel like going for gimmepie is the better of the two options at this point. Basically, if we didn't have a confirmed third party, rather op role to target, spreading out damage across several players would most likely be the best course of action.

If you hadn't noticed, in mafia many people tend to act like sheep that need to be herded. In basically any mafia game I'm in that I'm not GMing, I present various lines of thought and strategies that are generally found throughout mafia, and in games like this, I tailor them to the specific theme. I've always done this, whether I'm scum or innocent, and likely always will. I've even gone so far as to basically state the mafia's plans when I am mafia, especially in earlier games like Supporters Season 2 when mafia was pretty new to PC and many people were still learning how to play.

Good response. :) I'm still feeling out how most people on here play, hence the questions.

The problem with sheeping an unaffiliated PR like this is that it gives us nothing to work on, no leads to follow in determining people's motives behind the lynch. Once Pie is dead or weakened, then what? Nobody has their wincon tied to his survival necessarily, so who is going to pitch a case for him?

He might seem like an OP role, but he is in fact quite outnumbered due to his inability to cast votes without making himself known. The Giant is therefore a fairly confirmed clear, which works in favour of the town as it narrows down the scum pool, and he's also a huge wall of defence for whichever side he affiliates with.

This is all rehash, but you don't seem to be taking Gimmepie seriously enough. He claims to possess an all-powerful role that can kill one person a day. That's all well and good, but his win condition dictates that he wins with whichever party wins. That means if the mafia are winning, he jumps ship. His goals are his own and such power cannot be trusted in the hands of a third party. Not to mention he killed Foxrally without a second thought.

You don't honestly trust him, do you?

You see trust as a very binary thing, where for me it is more of a gradient. You can trust in certain ways, or to a certain degree, without necessarily placing blind faith into someone. We can use his abilities, and we will see in coming days whether or not he uses those abilities to help or hinder town, which should still give us plenty of time to off him if needed – but crippling him right off the bat only increases the odds he will mafside.

I've seen more than enough games with survivor roles in it to know that most of them tend to side with the mafia if the circumstances comes to that. I mean, they're the winning side. Why would you bother siding with the losing one?

The problem with this line of thinking is that it assumes a negative outcome for town; it operates on the prediction that we will fail and our win will rely on a single third-party role. By thinking that way, you've already handed the game to someone else on a platter, you are not placing faith in your fellow townies to be able to win with him.

What I'm trying to say, in this entire post, is that while ignoring the Giant is risky, attacking him blindly is an easy excuse for not having to play the game properly and analyse one another, and it demonstrates a lack of faith in town – both of those things are indicative of an antitown alignment for me. There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, 'n all that.

 

[jdthebud]

I don't know if anyone noticed but Villager's HP now starts at 20, so that helps them survive a a little longer.

 

[Nakuzami]

I suggest we keep an eye on Nimsy to make sure she doesn't suddenly turn evil and all powerful.

Doubtful, lol

Please leave your Fangirl salt out of this game.

 

[Christos]

Here it seems like you're not paying the slightest bit of attention by not understanding everyone has different attack values, yet somehow a few pages later, you've figured out who the Giant is. Dumbtelling?

yeah that was a mistake on my part and I explain why I said it like two posts later. I'm only assuming gimmepie is the Giant since he's neutral I guess and has a high attack stat, not that it matters, I'm not expecting anyone to change their mind after me randomly saying he's the Giant

 

[esperance]

So like I'm not exactly sure how long this day phase will last so I'm going to make an attack. I'm not really sure who to go for, so a random vote will have to do it.

[attack] Zeffy

 

[Seth Rollins]

Not only is that not what I said, in the same post I specifically said that nling would be a terrible idea. Try again.



Pie claims a third-party role with insane stats (Giant?), unfortunately making himself such an easy target that I have no doubt the scum have or are planning to throw some attacks against him. While it makes sense to pile votes against him and test his claim, we don't know how much damage we're doing, so I can only see this going in a few ways:

1) We kill him accidentally and lose an extremely powerful ally.
2) We don't do enough damage to kill him, but the terrors do.
or 3) We don't kill him, but after the bandwagon against him, he betrays town and kills PRs.

I don't see this playing out as everyone expects it to, and I think, much like in FDL, we're not handling the concept of an extreme power role properly. As such I think I'll stay off this wagon and reserve my vote for people who are actually acting scummy. Like you, or the following individuals:



Here it seems like you're not paying the slightest bit of attention by not understanding everyone has different attack values, yet somehow a few pages later, you've figured out who the Giant is. Dumbtelling?



If you'd bothered to read his post, he specifically said he wanted to townside. Your reason is invalid.

And then there's this:





So you seem to be advocating for spread votes and an outright bandwagon against Pie in the same post? I'm confused.

For now though, Arsonist, you are my strongest scum read as you became very defensive after I made a fairly simple, common sense suggestion. I have no problem casting my vote against you.

[Attack] Arsonist

We can be death bros then!

[ATTACK] Spectrum


"Not only is that not what I said, in the same post I specifically said that nling would be a terrible idea. Try again."

*huge facepalm* That's REALLY not what I meant.

1. You can't NL in this game. Try again.

I was super salty yesterday because of a EM game and I'm really sorry if I offended you. I just hate people who like to show that they're smart. And this is day 1 do you think we have ANYONE to go for? I said "what do we do?" and you quote my post "NO BRO read the post!!! ". If you don't want to Random attack sure I get it but what made me mad is how blindly Faer was following you. "attack arsonist because he suggested to random attack!!!!!!!!" I facepalm so hard. WHy don't you vote against everyone who did then?

I never wanted to No Lynch, I just wanted to say we had nobody to go for. And you also NEVER suggested anyone.

"Pie claims a third-party role with insane stats (Giant?), unfortunately making himself such an easy target that I have no doubt the scum have or are planning to throw some attacks against him. While it makes sense to pile votes against him and test his claim, we don't know how much damage we're doing, so I can only see this going in a few ways:

1) We kill him accidentally and lose an extremely powerful ally.
2) We don't do enough damage to kill him, but the terrors do.
or 3) We don't kill him, but after the bandwagon against him, he betrays town and kills PRs."

lol...so lemme get this straight. You have NO DOUBT scum are going to throw away votes against him, right? Do you know I'm against voting for gimmepie?

Too bad you wasted your vote on me. It really is that sad.

 

[Syndrome]

 

[Spectrum]

You can't NL in this game. Try again.

Not voting = not lynching for the purpose of this game.

I was super salty yesterday because of a EM game and I'm really sorry if I offended you.

I'm not offended mate, just playing the game here. I tend to be really aggressive in mafia games, apologies if I've come down on you too hard.

If you don't want to Random attack sure I get it but what made me mad is how blindly Faer was following you. "attack arsonist because he suggested to random attack!!!!!!!!" I facepalm so hard. WHy don't you vote against everyone who did then?

I can't speak for Faer, but your replies to my posts come across to me as exaggerated and defensive, like I've struck a nerve – that's the primary reason I voted for you, not your comment about random lynching. Mocking mine and Faer's posts really doesn't help matters either.

I never wanted to No Lynch, I just wanted to say we had nobody to go for. And you also NEVER suggested anyone.

I can't really tell anyone who to vote for on D1, that's not the point. There is valuable information to be found in how people respond to your challenges. That's part of the fun of mafia, for me at least.

Too bad you wasted your vote on me. It really is that sad.

Sorry bro, your post has only really convinced me that I've voted correctly. Maybe this is how you play and somebody can correct me, but you seem very suspicious to me.

 

[Zeffy]

all i got from reading 5+ pages of whatever that was is that:
a) gimmepie is dangerous (when was he never though???)
b) wow is this really day one??? IT'S SO CUTTHROAT IN HERE jesus christ

that said i do believe you guys have whittled down GP's HP to at least a tolerable level (I hope) so spreading the damage to other people wouldn't be such a bad idea to do.

[attack] Spectrum

btw had a couple a couple pints before reading so i just sat here smiling like an idiot at how quickly everyone turned against each other lol

 

[faer]

-snip-

By now I'm pretty sure I misunderstood you yesterday. That happens often when people use abbreviations and slang and idioms, cause I learned english all in school and university, so well, my style of speech is often a bit academic. I'm sorry, if this annoys you (I really am, it's not indendet, it's simply what I need for "work").

I still hold on to the point that mafia is about the discussion and trying to cut the discussion short is a bad move. Generally the more information is know to everyone the better for the innocents. Of course some specific cases can be bad, e.g. if the detective/oracle role gets revealed too soon, but usually info known favors the innocents. (and it's also the main point of the game for me, as in, it's the part that is fun) So what should we do? Ask questions, state opinions and question those opinions.
Yesterday your posts were pretty unconstructive in the way of gaining info and producing a discussion.

So why are you against attacking gimmepie?

PS: Day phase is announced to be 48h, so it should end 9h and 39 mins after this post was made.

 

[gimmepie]

So why are you against attacking gimmepie?

1. I'm fun
2. I'm useful

That would be my guess.

 

[Zeffy]

it's day one, and GP's already used his one attack (assuming he can only attack once during the day). unless he's got some crazy night action too i doubt he'd be causing any more trouble until the next day phase.

although, for all we know, he might be a crazy strong jester

 

[Seth Rollins]

Not voting = not lynching for the purpose of this game.

No voting = losing 50% of your HP. Which is obviously bad.

I'm not offended mate, just playing the game here. I tend to be really aggressive in mafia games, apologies if I've come down on you too hard.

No probs.

I can't speak for Faer, but your replies to my posts come across to me as exaggerated and defensive, like I've struck a nerve – that's the primary reason I voted for you, not your comment about random lynching. Mocking mine and Faer's posts really doesn't help matters either.

As I said I was mad because of another game yesterday so I'm sorry. I felt like you were mocking me to be honest "Read the post don't just random vote" when we had nothing that day and worse, you didn't suggest anything, you told me to read the post when I already did that, and still, I got nothing. So your logic made 0 sense to me. Especially Faer's who said "Oh hey man I love your way of thinking, you said we shouldn't random vote right? Still, let's vote Arsonist just because." <-- That's a random vote right here.

Honestly if anything you're the one being scum ganging up on me when what I said was "Should we random vote? idk what to do" and then suddenly "Ohhh let's vote for him because he told us to random vote!!!!!!" and even worse lmao, Absol used bite! just went okay with it and boom. So yeah I have no regrets at all. And I'm just saying, but if you really played mafia before you would know you can't call someone "scum" on day 1.

I can't really tell anyone who to vote for on D1, that's not the point. There is valuable information to be found in how people respond to your challenges. That's part of the fun of mafia, for me at least.

Exactly my point? That's exactly what I was saying, I can't tell anyone who to vote for on D1, I can't even vote on D1 which is why I said "Should we random vote?" Just next time, don't quote me and say "Read the pooooost brooo" when there is absoluterly nothing on the post, and when it's day 1. About the last part I'm cool with that, do what you do.

Sorry bro, your post has only really convinced me that I've voted correctly. Maybe this is how you play and somebody can correct me, but you seem very suspicious to me.

Yes this is how I play. I get super mad when someone stupidly votes for me. (See: Fangirl D1) To be honest I was really trying to reply more to Faer's and Absol's posts, but yeah.

Again I'm sorry about EVERYTHING both you Faer and Absol. I was really really mad yesterday when shit happened.

By now I'm pretty sure I misunderstood you yesterday. That happens often when people use abbreviations and slang and idioms, cause I learned english all in school and university, so well, my style of speech is often a bit academic. I'm sorry, if this annoys you (I really am, it's not indendet, it's simply what I need for "work").

I still hold on to the point that mafia is about the discussion and trying to cut the discussion short is a bad move. Generally the more information is know to everyone the better for the innocents. Of course some specific cases can be bad, e.g. if the detective/oracle role gets revealed too soon, but usually info known favors the innocents. (and it's also the main point of the game for me, as in, it's the part that is fun) So what should we do? Ask questions, state opinions and question those opinions.
Yesterday your posts were pretty unconstructive in the way of gaining info and producing a discussion.

I'm sorry about yesterday. It was a bad day ):

Aaaaaaaand still, I just got mad when everyone suddenly attacked me because this happens too often and it's always wrong. Anyone would get defensive, really.

So why are you against attacking gimmepie?

PS: Day phase is announced to be 48h, so it should end 9h and 39 mins after this post was made.

Because I believe him, I think voting for him is wrong, he clearly did that for the lulz, because I know both Fox and GP and they always do that. Why? I dunno, ask GP XD. Look at past mafia games, they do that EVERYTIME. Always vote for each other, that's what they do.

 

[Ullion]

but if you really played mafia before you would know you can't call someone "scum" on day 1.

C'mon Seth. We both know this is a horribly wrong statement.

I won't be around this afternoon so I need to get an attack in now. I was gunna leave gp and hit a unique target - but many others have done as as is. So we can use their attacks to glean some truth from this horrid day. Also, gp said he had over 100HP, so I don't feel too bad. x.x;

[ATTACK] gimmepie

although I am super scared if he retaliates xD

 

[gimmepie]

Just to show you all how nice I am, I'm not even going to murder Ulli for that tomorrow.
See, good Pie is good.

Although if he's bad that's another story...

 

[faer]

I'm sorry about yesterday. It was a bad day ):

Yeah, in some parts it was. I'm also not too happy about Absol just jumping at it ... it didn't create any statements either. But well, let's try to leave that be. I think we're fine now. Doesn't mean I trust you, but

Well, you know, imo trust is not a word that belongs into a mafia game. There's really only one person to be trusted - that's the Ancestor >_>
Just had to say that, with everyone going on with how you can't trust gimme ... well of course you can't. That's got zero to do with coorporating with him or not.

Because I believe him, I think voting for him is wrong, he clearly did that for the lulz, because I know both Fox and GP and they always do that. Why? I dunno, ask GP XD. Look at past mafia games, they do that EVERYTIME. Always vote for each other, that's what they do.

Yeah, I do believe him, that he did it for fun. But there's still the fact that he 1-hit-ko'ed foxrally, stating that "basically anyone I vote for is insta-dead" which means he has (way)over 20 attack, stating that he got over 100HP and by now that seems to be true, since so far he survived 17 attacks (if I counted correctly).
I'm pretty scared.
Why do you think, it's better if he's alive? Do you trust him to stay on the innocents side?

 

[GreyBidoof]

[attack] Arsonist

 

[Klippy]

​

Darkness closes in... hunting the hearts of men.
This phase ends soon. The following players need to vote still:
Marz, Lawlietta, Lycanthropy​

 

[Strange]

Killing ANYONE else d1 is a really bad idea, I think we should wait until we determine who the person is (their role) before we kill them as roles are not revealed upon death. Because of this I'm random attacking to prevent a bandwagon from actually killing someone.

[attack]faer