2016 US Presidential Elections Thread [Trump Wins]

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So, the rest of my post... did it get deported, or leave the country on its own?

Clever. But, I'll address them below.

I'm saying outright that

Spoiler:

stereotyping is wrong. In case you didn't know...

I dunno, didn't seem like it, but ok.

The fears of these minorities are grounded in historical context.

Not for me. I have observed how the lesser beings of each population have acted, and their numbers, and compared to whites, the ratio of blacks being less civilized is pretty great. So, I base my observation on what I can observe, which is that I should guard myself when I see a group of such people in wife beater shirts, walking down the street. Even if they are completely harmless, I have no idea where they come from or where they are going, and I'd rather guard myself against any perceived threat. Better safe then sorry.

Presidents have discriminated against people like these and got away with it because their word of law became perfectly legal!

No, presidents/leaders have gotten away with it, not because they originated it, but because they echoed how the population was feeling at the time, and made it known. That is how Hitler rose to power, because Germans knew something was wrong, and Hitler pointed and said, the Jews. And many of those Germans felt inside that such could be true.

White people aren't evil, and neither are the minorities you mentioned. But if it takes a Ma'non to tell us that every race in the universe has at least one bad egg in it, then maybe we should take that into consideration.

What is a Ma'non?

Let's make this perfectly clear: it's not a race issue. It's a humanitarian issue.

I don't get this one.

Anyone here know if Mexico's got free Wi-Fi hotspots, GameStops, and Carl's Jr.? If Imma be wrongfully deported, I might as well go prepared for the ifs and nots. ; ^;

Dunno.

If you Google "Operation Wetback", you'd see comparisons of The Trail of Tears. Nevermind the Texas Ranger Era in the Rio Grande Valley, wherein tons of immigrants (and pre U.S./Mexican war citizens who didn't cross the border, but the border crossed them) were slaughtered in numbers large enough to have it considered the U.S.'s version of the Holocaust. The only people who see these things in the textbooks outside of ethnics scholars are those who live in The Valley. It's a dark past, but forgotten due to McAllen being recognized as more of a megacity on the grow rather than the land paved in race-fueled blood it once was.

Happened 100+ years ago, and I don't know what you want me to say to this?

It was bad? IDK.

 

[User19sq]

I dunno, didn't seem like it, but ok.

While it's unfair to stereotype white people as evil

...You missed that too, buddy? X3

Just because a group of people looks, acts, sounds, or speaks a different way doesn't mean that they should be met with strife. Every ethnic group has someone wearing a bad-mouthed t-shirt on it. Every. Group. Nobody's special. Nobody. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you have to hate it. I don't understand Hawaiian Luau pizza, but that doesn't stop me from stuffing my fat-f*ck-of-a face with it. And while I talk of being deported, guess what: I constantly pass for white. I was born in a goddamn swing state. I've never been within 100 feet from a Chipotle joint, and I'm more fluent in French and Unown than Spanish; professors have recommended me for being an editor, a job whose mastery of the English lexicon is a prerequisite. But I'm sure my heritage makes all that mute; at least, it does starting today.

What is a Ma'non?

A group of fictional people whom we pathetic humans should look up to.

It was bad? IDK.

...There goes the country.

 

[El Héroe Oscuro]

This gif is the only positive that I've seen come from this election.

 

[Somewhere_]

Can we not call all Trump supporters racists? I do not like being piled into that category.

Sure, most racists probably voted Trump. But the great majority of Trump supporters are not racists. He is a populist that appeals to fears, and psychologically, he drew those underlying fears out. So lets not act like all Trump supporters are racist or this was whitelash or anything like that. Trump also got more of the black and hispanic vote than Romney did.

Lets instead analyze the actual reasons he was elected president. not these petty excuses.

I already covered that Trump is a populist, which gives him quite the edge. But he also appealed to many blue collar workers in the midwest feel that they have been negatively affected by "free trade" deals. Trump promised to fix that.

 

[User19sq]

But didn't experts analyze both his and Clinton's plans on the economy and elsewhere? Didn't they look those up? I do feel that our insecurities are easy to exploit, but I feel knowing is in fact half the battle. ^^;

Then again, I booed the debate committees for not having live fact-checking. I was lost through most of the arguments.

 

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...There goes the country.

Eh, well, you seem like an ok dude. I don't wanna argue with you.

Won't get as bad as you think, but be prepared. I am getting prepared too, just incase riots and shit.

 

[Caaethil]

The backlash here is beyond unwarranted. It's like Brexit all over again. What I expected would happen if Trump won, honestly. I think Trump was the better of the two options, guess I'm a neo-nazi now.

 

[Somewhere_]

Some of my Clinton supporter peers in school were pretty triggered, but most of them accepted it. One of my friends was super triggered. I didnt even try to poke him; it was pretty funny actually xD

For some reason the hardcore Trump people were extra cancerous. I try to stay neutral in debates at school because its more interesting and I can challenge both sides.

This statement was actually pro-Trump, where I said in response to some Trump guys "Hillary Clinton and Obama know exactly what they are doing, and that is why I do not support them."

For some reason they could not comprehend that I wasn't being contradictory and could not accept that maybe Clinton and Obama aren't idiots.

 

[Esper]

>Bernie
>Authentic

He played you suckers like a fiddle. He was in it for the money, plain and simple.
Energizes young voters, you know the young high school sophomores that hate the man and all that.

Like, you can hate Bernie or whatever. That's your choice. But there's not even a shadow of a whiff of evidence that he was looking to make money off of this.

Trump created his own success, regardless of what people say about somehow investing his starting capital into stocks or whatever. He didn't, instead he created a hotel chain and a retail business that generated him billions. Sure, he probably how he had to shut down smaller real estate businesses, but that is how business works. Not saying I like it, but that's how things are, and he did a pretty good job of building his own empire.

Multiple bankruptcies, failed casinos, and it all needed a yuge loan from daddy moneybags or it would never have had a chance. Failure of a legitimate businessman is what Trump is. Successful snake oil salesman / general con artist? Yeah, that's true.

Can we not call all Trump supporters racists? I do not like being piled into that category.

Sure, most racists probably voted Trump. But the great majority of Trump supporters are not racists. He is a populist that appeals to fears, and psychologically, he drew those underlying fears out. So lets not act like all Trump supporters are racist or this was whitelash or anything like that. Trump also got more of the black and hispanic vote than Romney did.

Lets instead analyze the actual reasons he was elected president. not these petty excuses.

I already covered that Trump is a populist, which gives him quite the edge. But he also appealed to many blue collar workers in the midwest feel that they have been negatively affected by "free trade" deals. Trump promised to fix that.

It's hard to keep from calling Trump supporters racist though. You can understand that, right? Given all the overly racial things surrounding his campaign.

But the reasons, yeah, that's important to figure out so that we can stop this from happening again. Trump definitely played on white middle America's fears. The wall. No Muslim immigration. That's the kind of authoritarian populism that works when you've got a large group afraid of "the other". A housemate of a friend (a moderate conservative) was told that here in California white people aren't even 50% of the population and her response was "It's like it's not even our country anymore." That was her unabashed, unscripted response. Now, she's no Klan member or anything like that, but that's the kind of response I think runs through a lot of Americans' minds. That their country is becoming not their country. There's a worrying underlying idea with that mindset, one that assumes that non-whites don't really "belong" the way white people do, and Trump was tapping into it with his vaguely racist remarks and proposals.

And then you add to that the populist economic talk. Bring back the jobs, stop the unfair trade deals, protect American workers. It's a plea to fairness. It's a simple idea. Fair and simple is a good combo for getting your message across. It still ties in to the vaguely anti-other sentiments (Mexico took our jobs, China took our manufacturing) with the associated racial implication, but since it's not directly pitting one group of Americans against another it can be more appealing to a wider group. The message is still, overall, about fairness. There's a kind of narrative element at play, too. We used to be the best, but then bad people hurt us and we're going to get revenge of a sort by taking out stuff back. It makes people feel justified in their anger and it gives them a target for their anger. That target was the establishment.

Which brings us to the other element of his success: the view of politics in the country. People have been upset by politics for a while. There was the rise of the Tea Party a few years ago, one of the first big cracks in the way the major parties operate. The breakdown among the Republican party leadership let some crazy types different kinds into the party (let's call them "non-traditional politicians") so that there was fractured leadership and direction. That made the Republican field in the primaries crowded so that someone like Trump, who normally wouldn't last long, get a chance because he was only one of a few who wasn't acting like things were still normal within the party. The massive media coverage of Trump was enough to get his candidacy more attention than the few other non-traditional candidates (like Ben Carson).

Add to that the relative weakness of Clinton (for some of the same reasons regarding corporate sponsorship/politics-as-usual) and you've got an upset like we saw.

 

[Kanzler]

Can we not call all Trump supporters racists? I do not like being piled into that category.

This is why Trump won the election. Offend the middle and working class White American all you want, and you'll make sure they'll be in the ballot booth against you election after election.

 

[Aliencommander1245]

Not for me. I have observed how the lesser beings of each population have acted, and their numbers, and compared to whites, the ratio of blacks being less civilized is pretty great. So, I base my observation on what I can observe, which is that I should guard myself when I see a group of such people in wife beater shirts, walking down the street. Even if they are completely harmless, I have no idea where they come from or where they are going, and I'd rather guard myself against any perceived threat. Better safe then sorry.

What the... what?! Black people are uncivilised "lesser beings"????

To start off with this burning dumpster fire of an opinion- it's not even related to the thing that's been said.
"Minorities have genuine fear founded in reality"
"Well i'm not fearful and also black people are worse than white people because i don't understand history"

Is just... so, so strange to see. I don't even know where to start on that awfully racist idea of less civilised savages, but rest assured the entire thing you've said there is false and not grounded in reality at all. Not to mention that that's just one minority, and you've only just made the point presented stronger through your offensive words and wrong information

I think Trump was the better of the two options, guess I'm a neo-nazi now.

No, you're just politically unaware and completely swindled by his lies and rhetoric

Can we not call all Trump supporters racists? I do not like being piled into that category.

Sure, most racists probably voted Trump. But the great majority of Trump supporters are not racists. He is a populist that appeals to fears, and psychologically, he drew those underlying fears out. So lets not act like all Trump supporters are racist or this was whitelash or anything like that. Trump also got more of the black and hispanic vote than Romney did.

The problem is that you're right- they're not all racists, and you're probably not racist either.

But you did knowingly support one, they all knowingly supported one. Is supporting a racist, a homophobe, a xenophobic misogynist different from holding those views yourself? When his platform was built upon those ideals of bigotry, and padded with lies and vague statements adorned with objectively bad policies, can you really be absolved of anything on that front?

Isn't it worse to support someone like that when you don't consider yourself any of the negative things he is than it is for the KKK to support Trump?

 

[Grey Wind]

Some of my Clinton supporter peers in school were pretty triggered, but most of them accepted it. One of my friends was super triggered. I didnt even try to poke him; it was pretty funny actually xD

Top kek...

It's hard to keep from calling Trump supporters racist though. You can understand that, right? Given all the overly racial things surrounding his campaign.

Yeah, I really hate the "oh it's just a buzzword!" mentality. I think calling people racist for supporting a man who has been blatantly anti black, Muslim and Latino at every turn is fair game.

 

[User19sq]

Yeah, I really hate the "oh it's just a buzzword!" mentality. I think calling people racist for supporting a man who has been blatantly anti black, Muslim and Latino at every turn is fair game.

Does show how desperate Americans were with ridding the status quo. I just sat and spoke with an old professor of mine and came to this agreement: I don't mind giving the highest power to an outsider, but why did it have to be this outsider?!

 

[El Héroe Oscuro]

This is why Trump won the election. Offend the middle and working class White American all you want, and you'll make sure they'll be in the ballot booth against you election after election.

Same could really say about minorities, like the Latino population. With all of his comments about building a wall, the Latino voter showed up in record numbers this election. Obviously the White American population outnumbers the above, but a point nonetheless.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

So guys, I think this may be part of a reason why Trump won the election. About 11,000 citizens voted for a dead gorilla over Clinton and Trump.

 

[Kanzler]

Same could really say about minorities, like the Latino population. With all of his comments about building a wall, the Latino voter showed up in record numbers this election. Obviously the White American population outnumbers the above, but a point nonetheless.

Ironic thing is, that Trump did better among Latino voters than Romney. People are saying that one of the reasons he won Florida was from an outstanding turnout of Latino voters for Trump. When Trump says it's the Mexicans who are coming in with drugs, crime, and rape, I don't think that the Puerto Rican or Cuban American thinks he's talking about them. Now he obviously didn't get more Latino votes than Clinton, but he did well enough to deny her Florida, at least.

 

[User19sq]

So guys, I think this may be part of a reason why Trump won the election. About 11,000 citizens voted for a dead gorilla over Clinton and Trump.

I've been unzipped since last night. The anxiety farts from this election couldn't be contained any longer...

Same could really say about minorities, like the Latino population. With all of his comments about building a wall, the Latino voter showed up in record numbers this election. Obviously the White American population outnumbers the above, but a point nonetheless.

Ironic thing is, that Trump did better among Latino voters than Romney. People are saying that one of the reasons he won Florida was from an outstanding turnout of Latino voters for Trump. When Trump says it's the Mexicans who are coming in with drugs, crime, and rape, I don't think that the Puerto Rican or Cuban American thinks he's talking about them. Now he obviously didn't get more Latino votes than Clinton, but he did well enough to deny her Florida, at least.

Is it just me, or does this look like the minorities who are proud of turning out in record numbers are sill not enough to put up concern for the majority? There's obviously more Caucasians than anything, but this is still a bit of a scary thought... ; ^;

 

[Esper]

So guys, I think this may be part of a reason why Trump won the election. About 11,000 citizens voted for a dead gorilla over Clinton and Trump.

If those were all in the swing states, yeah, but if that happened in Mississippi, California, or places like that then it wouldn't have mattered if twice that many voted for Deez Nuts.

Now, if we abandoned the electoral college altogether...

Seems as though it's a hoax in any case.

 

[User19sq]

If those were all in the swing states, yeah, but if that happened in Mississippi, California, or places like that then it wouldn't have mattered if twice that many voted for Deez Nuts.

Now, if we abandoned the electoral college altogether...

...Clinton would've won in an incredibly-close race by popular vote.

 

[El Héroe Oscuro]

Ironic thing is, that Trump did better among Latino voters than Romney. People are saying that one of the reasons he won Florida was from an outstanding turnout of Latino voters for Trump. When Trump says it's the Mexicans who are coming in with drugs, crime, and rape, I don't think that the Puerto Rican or Cuban American thinks he's talking about them. Now he obviously didn't get more Latino votes than Clinton, but he did well enough to deny her Florida, at least.

Yeah I remember reading that and thinking that was mind boggling. I find it very hard to wrap my head around the fact that those demographics mentioned didn't think Trump was addressing them too. But yeah, I don't know...I really, really don't think that building a wall is the answer - and it's even more crazy to think that a lot of other countries have walls as well - but at the same time, you do need to address the illegal immigration issue but I can't think of another solution unfortunately.