2016 US Presidential Elections Thread [Trump Wins]

[Aliencommander1245]

I've never been banned if I remember correctly just warned. Thanks for proving my point though, shame you couldn't ban the big mean racists from the ballot box.

I believe you were banned, you had the strike through on all your information. I assume Gimmiepie's like confirms it? Maybe just a thumbs up for my general message but i assume he'd correct me if i was wrong.

Either way... what? I tired to discredit your nonsense "wah wah PC culture, i'm not supposed to be racist, aren't i edgy for not being a nice person wah wah" with the fact you'd been banned for being racist on a pokemon forum, during an altercation where i kept calling you out on your lies/xenophobia and you kept doubling down. (Not to mention that awful bout of homophobia you spouted for a little, that was a tantrum of an episode)

If you are a legal American citizen you have nothing to worry about. The Democrats will watching Trump like a hawk for the chance to impeach if he tries to do something as illegal as that. Nor is your labour required for the wall, there are many unemployed patriotic Americans who would jump at the chance to serve their country in it's construction. That's why he won in the first place.

...What? If you think people's biggest worries are Trump doing something he legally can't (And you think with a republican controlled everything, that the democrats will wield huge power) you're laughably wrong. What's worrying is what he's promised to do that he can do both his disastrous actual policy (Trickle down economics 2: Trickle harder) and his """""reforms""""" or social desires. Plus dumping a new awful supreme court justice on the board would be fairly bad for a long time

If anyone is curious as to how the wall will be paid for I predict the taxing of remittance payments from America to Mexico if they don't comply and the ceasing of all foreign aid. The wall and deportations will pay for themselves with the easing of costs that illegal immigrants and drug smugglers put on the healthcare, education and prison system.

I LOVE MANGA!

Did you not read how disastrous for the US that actual plan would be, though? It's not only pointless and not useful in the slightest (Who thinks the border is just a big un-patrolled space?? A wall will present literally the exact same problems as the current border system, but worse because of how easy it'll be to get through while it's under construction) but trying to blackmail a foreign country into funding a construction problem is diplomatic poison.

Not to mention that what you've specifically named there, cutting off aid and remittance is near impossible, and actually doing it would require making it hard for banks to conduct business outside the us through normal channels. It'd literally breed corruption

 

[Nah]

I woke up at 5:35 today....I haven't voluntarily done that in quite some time. Guess I subconsciously wanted to know the results of the election really bad or something lol.

Had the strangest feeling last night that Trump was going to win. Would've preferred if like with the Sun/Moon starters I was wrong, but it seems that didn't happen....

 

[Star-Lord]

Amazed a glorified reality television star beat out someone who's actually held a political office.

 

[gimmepie]

I just want to say that my like of aliencommander's post was because I agree with his points and it has nothing to do with confirming or denying a ban or whatever. That's not information that's my place to give out and has little to do with any debate or anything. Plus I don't even know if it's a thing that happened or not quite honestly.

@Star Lord, I don't even understand why the US political system allows that to be a possibility. People with no political experience should not be allowed to hold the single most important office in a country.

 

[Klippy]

But that defeats the entire purpose of the primaries and the election itself. The whole point of the campaigning is a job interview for the American people. Trump had a better interview despite his issues and Clinton's issues largely sunk her. The DNC and Clinton herself are huge blame factors in the result last night after months of corruption issues and scandals - whether you believe them to be true or not because clearly voters didn't trust her. Trump had a common message from the jump: "make America great again". That resonated with enough people and the hatred of the elite political class was so strong that this upset of the status quo greatly.

I hope for the best and wish our next president nothing but success, just as I wished Obama nothing but success. We fail if he fails and we succeed if he does. That's always my feeling on it. I want whoever it is to do right by us all.

 

[Hermione Granger]

I honestly wasn't expecting Trump to win myself. Though I do not really trust Trump, which I would also say the same for Hillary.

 

[Pinkie-Dawn]

I couldn't make it to the final results because my eyes were tired out and need to sleep (plus I have class Wednesday). So Trump won the election, this isn't going well for both the U.S. and my own people. If there's anyone I have to blame for Trump's victory, then it would have to be third-wave feminism and the SJW movement for driving citizens to grow tired of their nonsense and voted for Trump out of spite.

Bernie Sanders is Jewish, a socialist (i.e. a communist to Americans), pro-immigration, pro-minority and part of the "establishment". If you think he'd have been elected then you have no idea why people voted for Trump and why they didn't vote for Hillary.

I'm surprised there's still discrimination towards Jews in first world countries despite how much suffering they've gone through during 30's and 40's, and socialism =/= communism (there's a big difference if you've taken political science). How is pro-immigration bad when most of the time these immigrants are trying to get away from their own countries due to how corrupted they've become? Pro-minority isn't a bad thing so long as you don't take it too far. And yes, Sanders would've easily defeated Trump in the election if it wasn't Hillary representing as our Democratic candidate because of the importance of choosing the lesser of two evils.

 

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But that defeats the entire purpose of the primaries and the election itself. The whole point of the campaigning is a job interview for the American people. Trump had a better interview despite his issues and Clinton's issues largely sunk her. The DNC and Clinton herself are huge blame factors in the result last night after months of corruption issues and scandals - whether you believe them to be true or not because clearly voters didn't trust her. Trump had a common message from the jump: "make America great again". That resonated with enough people and the hatred of the elite political class was so strong that this upset of the status quo greatly.

I hope for the best and wish our next president nothing but success, just as I wished Obama nothing but success. We fail if he fails and we succeed if he does. That's always my feeling on it. I want whoever it is to do right by us all.

What a based admin. That was literally the most lucid line I've heard about Trump winning. Well said.


@Pinkie-dawn Unless we have started a war with those countries, we are not obligated to provide a home for any refugees. We do do this, but if people from other places come here, they need to change their values to match ours.


As i said above, pro immigration is not always a good thing. Letting anyone in the country simply because their home or lack of sucks is like having a house and letting homeless people in. Sure, they are probably juat down on their luck, but what if they rob you blind?


We also have enough people and problems in this country, especially with starvation, and there is no reason why we should just let whoever in.

 

[Aliencommander1245]

@Pinkie-dawn Unless we have started a war with those countries, we are not obligated to provide a home for any refugees. We do do this, but if people from other places come here, they need to change their values to match ours.

What? This isn't true at all. In fact... isn't it the opposite of what you'd assume? "We allow people from countries we're at war with to come here, but not anyone from anywhere else. They'd have to change their values to do that. Change them to what? Who knows!"

As i said above, pro immigration is not always a good thing. Letting anyone in the country simply because their home or lack of sucks is like having a house and letting homeless people in. Sure, they are probably juat down on their luck, but what if they rob you blind?

This is a cluttered analogy that's not really representational of anything. A country is not a house, and a nation cannot be "robbed blind" by refugees.

A refugee is not at all the equivalent of a whole person in any possible way, in fact they'd be more analogous to some kind of household arthropod- things that are good to have in your home(like spiders), are tiny in comparison to you and don't really infringe on your way of life at all unless you're irrationally afraid of them, and constantly on the lookout.

We also have enough people and problems in this country, especially with starvation, and there is no reason why we should just let whoever in.

You DON'T let "just whoever" in, you let refugees in after a long, arduous and painful vetting process. The deflection argument that america has "other problems" never really sticks simply due to the fact America always has problems (One is about to arrive in the white house, with another in tow) should America just stop and drop everything forever until every problem is fixed?

I just want to say that my like of aliencommander's post was because I agree with his points and it has nothing to do with confirming or denying a ban or whatever. That's not information that's my place to give out and has little to do with any debate or anything. Plus I don't even know if it's a thing that happened or not quite honestly.

Sorry, should've worded it better to have said that i assumed you'd catch me on it if it wasn't true, but you're right that it's both a thing that i can't expect you to remember/know about anyway

But that defeats the entire purpose of the primaries and the election itself. The whole point of the campaigning is a job interview for the American people.

The thing is that now the problem arises that he'll have to try and do things. While he showed up to the job interview and somehow got through all fine, once the employers realise his resume was a sham what can they do?

Being that it's a job you can't be fired from, and he's effectively lied and promised the world to get into it, what he even can do next escapes me

 

[Klippy]

He and the Republicans live or die by his first term. He can only succeed or fail and the country can only get better or worse. But his chance of a second term is entirely more critical as a result. He has to succeed, otherwise a very strong Democrat next election will cause him to struggle heavily.

 

[tokyodrift]

now that i've gotten over my bitterness, i really do wish him luck with his term.

 

[Klippy]

Blame this guy!

 

[Esper]

What a whitelash.

Two of my friends called us in the middle of our election watching last night in tears. One is Mexican, one is Muslim. They live in California, a relatively safe state, and are still afraid of what this bodes.

"I bet Sanders would've won". For the latter, how do you know this?

I know Bernie would have won because he is 1) authentic, 2) has no scandals, 3) is as much of an outsider as you can get while still being a sitting senator, 4) energizes voters, 5) had a laid out plan to help the middle class, and 6) is a progressive populist, which is what Obama originally ran as and got huge wins from.

In a way it's a shame that the Republicans started to fall apart before this election and the Democrats didn't. Now that they've gotten themselves beaten the leadership is going to need replacing and they had better pick some young, progressive voices if they have any hope of winning anything in two years. Corporate candidates are not what the people want. The irony of people choosing Trump through is so thick you can smell it. It would be hilarious if this wasn't so serious.

It's also worth noting that Clinton still has the popular vote. This will be the second time in recent memory that a Republican has stolen abused the Electoral College to win despite not being the favored candidate.

 

[Controversial?]

human civilisation is going to end within most of our lifetimes and trump's just gonna speed it up

 

[User19sq]

Anyone here know if Mexico's got free Wi-Fi hotspots, GameStops, and Carl's Jr.? If Imma be wrongfully deported, I might as well go prepared for the ifs and nots. ; ^;

What a whitelash.

Two of my friends called us in the middle of our election watching last night in tears. One is Mexican, one is Muslim. They live in California, a relatively safe state, and are still afraid of what this bodes.

While it's unfair to stereotype white people as evil, some of these concerns aren't without reason. If you Google "Operation Wetback", you'd see comparisons of The Trail of Tears. Nevermind the Texas Ranger Era in the Rio Grande Valley, wherein tons of immigrants (and pre U.S./Mexican war citizens who didn't cross the border, but the border crossed them) were slaughtered in numbers large enough to have it considered the U.S.'s version of the Holocaust. The only people who see these things in the textbooks outside of ethnics scholars are those who live in The Valley. It's a dark past, but forgotten due to McAllen being recognized as more of a megacity on the grow rather than the land paved in race-fueled blood it once was.

 

[Bellsprout]

i wasn't a big fan of either side but I think there is a lot of anger and mistrust between the people and the government. A lot of people are sick of seeing insiders getting in and not doing much. Trump is a gamble and we'll have to see how this plays out, but overall I think it's a great wake up call to Washington. It's a little frightening to have the house, senate, and the executive office all republican because it makes for limited resistance. but on the other hand if good ideas are put into place there's a better chance they'll be able to pass more easily.

Just gotta hope for the best. As much as I don't agree with a lot of things Trump has said I do think he does love his country and ultimately wants to do well.

 

[Esper]

I dunno, I think Clinton is genuine, but I'm not going to get into that debate because that's purely subjective territory based on your own perspective and I'm not very interested in getting into that.

Also, you are putting your eggs all into the younger voter demographic basket, which is the primary audience that Bernie energized. Do keep in mind that older voters as well as non-white voters costed Bernie the primaries, as well as women. You can argue older voters costed Clinton the election based on the recent exit polls, despite the boost she got from non-white voters.

So if Bernie couldn't turn out non-whites during the primaries as well as the older demographic, I'd really hesitate to say that he'd win the election vs Trump, otherwise if that was the case, he would've beaten Clinton handily and we would've been in a very different position right now.

The fact of the matter is, even if you think Clinton is boring and riddled with scandal, she's a party loyalist and about as status quo politician as you can get. That might've turned away younger voters due to Bernie's more vivid and robust message, but they weren't the ones turning out anyway: it was the older population that were. Clinton's message resonated a lot more with people that turned out, and that's how she won the primaries.

This is all stressing the bigger point that the older population tends to be the one that turns out more than the younger voters do, but it's also prudent to keep in mind the minority vote as well which is pretty significant, which I'm unsure Bernie would've gotten in a general election.

[Bolded the most important part there.]

I'm not saying that Clinton wasn't being genuine, but that people generally didn't see her that way. Bernie looked more genuine to more people. Authenticity was one of the things people were using to make their decisions. But anyway the election was mostly decided by angry white people who turned out for Trump because they didn't like the state of politics. Status quo was a dangerous thing to be this election. Bernie, although more status quo than Trump, was a lot less status quo than Clinton. That would have siphoned off the Trump voters who were mostly protest voting and the people who were on the fence about Trump but were pushed over by their dislike of Clinton (their reasons for disliking Clinton notwithstanding). Bernie would have blunted Trump's main advantage. That would have been enough to keep lots of states (Michigan, Pennsylvania) from going red by narrow margins.

But the important takeaway, I think, is that authenticity matters to people because they don't see corporate-moneyed politicians as really caring about them or really trying to do anything for them. That, I believe, is the main reason Clinton did so poorly and Trump did so well.

 

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I am so proud of the American people at this result, that they've seen through all the lies and media manipulation. It's time to end political correctness, unchecked immigration and globalisation. To the people that opposed Trump, this is your own fault. You created your own boogeyman by continually denigrating in particular the white working class with buzzwords like racist, sexist, islamophobic, bigot etc... If you sling out serious words as insults at the slightest sign of disagreement people will go silent and wait for their time to strike down those who stifle their freedom.

I hope he really can drain the swamp. Here is a resource for everyone here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_suicide_crisis_lines

This is not the end of the world but rather a new beginning.

Limerant knows what's up in regards to this. This is exactly how people, especially whites, feel when someone assumes that, because they have white skin, they are racist. We stay silent until we can strike.. Suicide hotlines are a clever touch too.

While it's unfair to stereotype white people as evil, some of these concerns aren't without reason.

Yep, you are right. In fact, this is how I am with Hispanics and blacks too, tbh. If I see a group of them walking toward me, I immediately brace for a fight. Just how it is, you know?

I mean, it's not like I hate blacks or Hispanics, as that would be unfair, but you never know right? Put my guard down and, BAM. Just like the evil whites, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

PROTIP: That's why Trump won.

human civilisation is going to end within most of our lifetimes and trump's just gonna speed it up

Kek, Trumps such a big bad wolf eh, gonna be such a huge catalyst for this?

I'm also amazed that we have another future reader here, pretty crazy! I mean, civilization will just end within most of our lifetimes, that sure is something to see! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I know Bernie would have won because he is 1) authentic, 2) has no scandals, 3) is as much of an outsider as you can get while still being a sitting senator, 4) energizes voters, 5) had a laid out plan to help the middle class, and 6) is a progressive populist, which is what Obama originally ran as and got huge wins from.

>Bernie
>Authentic

He played you suckers like a fiddle. He was in it for the money, plain and simple.
Energizes young voters, you know the young high school sophomores that hate the man and all that.
Obama got wins because he was black, plain and simple, straight talk.

I've asked people in my community why they voted for him (Obama), and that was the answer, black skin. That is why he had, I believe it was, the highest black voter turnout ever.

But the important takeaway, I think, is that authenticity matters to people because they don't see corporate-moneyed politicians as really caring about them or really trying to do anything for them. That, I believe, is the main reason Clinton did so poorly and Trump did so well.

Bingo, you hit it right on the mark.

Trump created his own success, regardless of what people say about somehow investing his starting capital into stocks or whatever. He didn't, instead he created a hotel chain and a retail business that generated him billions. Sure, he probably how he had to shut down smaller real estate businesses, but that is how business works. Not saying I like it, but that's how things are, and he did a pretty good job of building his own empire.

Hopefully he can do the same for this country.

now that i've gotten over my bitterness, i really do wish him luck with his term.

Good, I'm glad you've put your bitterness aside.

All of us have to accept the reality that he is now president. I hope he does well.

 

[User19sq]

Yep, you are right. In fact, this is how I am with Hispanics and blacks too, tbh. If I see a group of them walking toward me, I immediately brace for a fight. Just how it is, you know?

I mean, it's not like I hate blacks or Hispanics, as that would be unfair, but you never know right? Put my guard down and, BAM. Just like the evil whites, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

PROTIP: That's why Trump won.

So, the rest of my post... did it get deported, or leave the country on its own?

I'm saying outright that

Spoiler:

stereotyping is wrong. In case you didn't know...

The fears of these minorities are grounded in historical context. Presidents have discriminated against people like these and got away with it because their word of law became perfectly legal! White people aren't evil, and neither are the minorities you mentioned. But if it takes a Ma'non to tell us that every race in the universe has at least one bad egg in it, then maybe we should take that into consideration.

Let's make this perfectly clear: it's not a race issue. It's a humanitarian issue.

 

[Attribule]

A lot of people are sick of seeing insiders getting in and not doing much. Trump is a gamble and we'll have to see how this plays out

That's what a Trump presidency guarantees anyway. The reality is that voting "for Trump" isn't voting for him at all, but the people weaseling their way into office alongside him. Trump is like the "wizard" from Wizard of Oz, in that he's an illusion, and in reality there's someone (in this case, someones) behind the curtains controlling his actions.

Trump isn't a gamble. He's a guarantee, based on who is coming into power alongside him and their beliefs/policies, that his term in office will come with some terrible consequences for the American people. Best case scenario: only the American people.

Some people supported him on the notion that "he isn't a corrupt politician" without realizing his entire life has proven that he totally is.

It's a little frightening to have the house, senate, and the executive office all republican because it makes for limited resistance.

No, no, no, giving every bit of power to a single side gets rid of the corruption! They need everything from us in order to combat the bad people, so raise your arms and lend them your energy! Form that spirit bomb and let it crash down on the villains! This battle will take place in an uninhabited wasteland, so the American people are completely safe!