The fact that you think you are so right to call me out out on "not recognizing" who you think is the lesser of two evils, and using the word "obviously," makes you sound condescending.
Nothing to offer is a strawman.
It's not, though, outside of... his childcare policy, i believe it is, he offers literally nothing possible or beneficial to the American people over Hillary.
I do think i'm right to call you out on voting in someone who is unoqvicably a bad person with bad policies that people who know things about... just about any subject he writes policy on, able and willing to tell you this. If you think Clinton is the lesser of two evils to a man who terrifies minorities and stands atop a rhetoric of racist, homophobia, xenophobia and sexism then what am i supposed to tell you? You've strawmanned Clinton into the devil incarnate despite her policies and track record being better, and her political experience... existing?
I do not support racial profiling as a policy. But Trump supports it as a practical law-enforcement method. Again, this is where I do not agree with Trump and partly why I reluctantly support him.
"I don't support the
racist parts of his policy" isn't really a defence. He still has that policy, he still intends to act upon it. Your personal support for it or not means nothing to him, and won't change anything considering you
still voted for the support of racial profiling (Not that you voted, i don't think? Voted in a metaphorical sense, through support of him as a whole)
I would also like to challenge this notion of Trump trampling over minorities. He campaigned in black neighborhoods where they have been struggling for years. He wants to change this. He got a much better hispanic and black vote than Romney did as well. Nor did the minority vote come out for Hillary.
He went to those "black neighbourhoods" and did nothing to help them or sway them, and that means nothing? "He campaigned in a black community!!! See he's not racist!!!" Is... removed from reality.
Remember his patronising speech? Remember "You're all living in poverty! You're all unemployed! What do you have to lose with voting for me?" Or that time he was incredibly disrespectful during his visit to a church in one of those "black neighbourhoods"?
"Trump got a better hispanic vote than romney" isn't a huge achievement and, again, as the vast majority of minorities rallied behind clinton it means even less. Who voted for him doesn't make him less racist?
My friendships transcend politics. Our political leanings or support for one candidate or another do not define the friendship. Just because it is your opinion that I have somehow "thrown my friends under the bus," does not mean that I actually have. I do not believe I have.
Your friendships might, but the effect of your support will, too, transcend purely politics and impact their lives.
Well, too bad? Do you have any gay friends, or family? You supported the candidate that wishes to take their rights and protections away. He campaigned on this. His VP supports conversion therapy, defunded STI treatment and facilities and said he'd rather spend the money on that. He, by proxy, encourages harassment of them, violence towards them. They will be negatively affected.
Do you have any Muslim friends, or family? You supported the candidate who suspects them, who is willing to ban people like them from entering the country. Who thinks poorly of them. Who thinks them incompatible with American society. Who cultures a fear of them. Who, by proxy, encourages harassment of them, violence towards them.
Do have any Transgender friends, or family? You supported the candidate who devalues them, and their existence. Who wishes, and campaigned on, stripping their rights and protections. Who wants to put them as second class citizens, force them to be uncomfortable with who they are and legally make them use the bathroom of the complete opposite gender. Who's VP
has already done these things, or tried to in his own state.
Do you have friends or family of ethnic minorities? You supported the candidate who thinks ill of them. Who stereotypes them. Who, depending on their nationality, does not want them in the country. Who's supporters, which he is more than hesitant to decry, devalue them. Who is fine with the KKK supporting him. Who's policies and personal positions
make the KKK support him.
Do you have friends or family who are women? You supported the candidate who bragged about sexual assault. Who was accused of rape by more than one person. Who is currently in court for a prior case of accused child rape. Who is friends with a paedophile. Who devalues, and demeans, women for their gender. Who is a genuine skeeze, especially towards the models/young women that were in his pageants.
Do you have friends or family who are white, male, and not LGBT? You supported the candidate who's poor policies make them worse off as a whole, even if they're not phased by his rhetoric.
I am a very self aware person. Since I had depression/anxiety and defeated it so to speak, I have become increasingly self aware. I know my faults and my strengths. I often evaluate myself. Maybe even too much so. anyways, I know myself very well. I also tend to be more quiet in real life: I self-reflect often.
In fact, this is why I have been trying to enact change in my life. Change from the often lazy individual I am. Change from my shyness. Change from my insecurities.
Well, i'm sorry to hear about your struggle and know how hard that can be (Although i don't really see how it relates?).
I guess i should explain that "I'm not racist, i have black friends" or any variation thereof is a fairly common... meme? Not meme, but something mocked a lot. A logical fallacy, i guess.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Friend_argument
https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQu...oesnt_the_im_not_racist_i_have_black_friends/
I was trying to note that it's basically the same thing that you've presented there.
I interpreted the questions as accusatory. I am sorry if I was wrong.
It is accusatory, i guess, but it's not accusing you of racism. It's asking for self reflection on your support and the effect that has on people.
I can't stress enough that even if you're not bigoted you supported the candidate who was, and intended to act on this, that's.... something? That needs some self reflection
Anyways, I answered the question. In my OPINION, Trump is the lesser of two evils. This logically makes me NOT racist. Why can't you accept this? You may disagree that Trump is the lesser of two evils, but that fact that I believe he is the lesser of two evils excepts me from being racist.
Uh. Not really. You can think trump is bad but not the worst while also being racist. When you're excusing and supporting by proxy Trump's racism, bigotry ect it doesn't matter if
you personally are racist or not as much as your actions supported someone who was, and you supported the spread and power of this rhetoric.
"I'm not racist, but i support the KKK. They should be allowed to do what they want"
Is basically the same thing, if not kind of hyperbolic
I wouldnt try to "pin" you. That would not be the purpose. I sympathize with you thinking she is the lesser of two evils. I understand that your support for Hillary Clinton does not reflect your character. Likewise, my support for Trump does not reflect my character. i would rather not go there and actually have a discussion on Trump's policies. What will he try to enact? Can he enact them? To what extent? Will he have the support to do so? etc.
I interpreted your post as insulting. If you couldn't tell, I do not like my character being questioned.
How would it reflect poorly, though, is my question? What traits would be pinned on me as you felt were pinned on you, were you to do that? I can't really conceive anything that would be
worse than Trump or what you felt you'd been called.
I have to say i really don't sympathise with your decision to support Trump as the lesser of two evils here though, when he's both a real danger to real people and has the worst policies overall, that we've even discussed in this thread?
Things like boosting the failed system of trickle down economics, wanting to cut tax to himself and the rich, wanting to take the oil from foreign countries as "payment", wanting to "re-neogitate" historic deals despite doing so almost certaily being damaging. Wanting to roll back marriage equality, wanting to strip protections from LGBT people, wanting to make it easier for the government to sue the media. All self serving nonsense.
The fact that those are the 3 questions you pose about a potential discussion about Trump (and implying there isn't much to discuss about him other than this one focus) -in my opinion - displays your closed-mindedness. I have gathered that you do not stray much from the leftist narrative you seem to follow dogmatically. If you dont, say otherwise. I dont want to paint you as a person you are not.
...How does it display close mindedness and what is a "leftist narrative" besdies a grouping of words intended to downplay and devalue my argument? There isn't much else to talk about besides "how much will trump damage the nation" because he doesn't
have anything else outlined in his policy or part of his personality that would make discussion of anything else conductive or probably even possible
We can get into a discussion about the LGBT community and Trump. How about we talk about this? you brought it up.
What in particular would you like to discuss on Trump and LBGT issues? That he's... bad for LGBT people, and not shy about it? That his VP is a horribly homophobic person who advocates for the equivalence of torture (As equated by the UN torture section) for LGBT people?
